From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: tftorrey@tftorrey.com (T.F. Torrey) Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:40:24 -0700 Message-ID: <87li9ukhev.fsf@lapcat.tftorrey.com> References: <8738w4y89q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35973) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UF953-00031o-G2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:12:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UF94x-0001KU-5c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:12:21 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:42781) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UF94w-0001K9-V8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:12:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8738w4y89q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (message from Bastien on Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:09:37 +0100) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Thank you for your thoughtful reply. -- T. Bastien writes: > Hi Terry, > > I hear you. I completely agree that Org should not be less flexible > than it has been so far. At least not for very good reasons, shared > by both the developers and the users. IOW: ease of maintainance and > code consistency should not let us introduce rigidity for the users. > > Let's focus on the regressions and let's try to fix the ones that we > can fix. > > As discussions have shown so far, Nicolas holds the keys when it comes > to honoring Org's consistency regarding its syntax -- the document he > wrote will help us all to speak about the same syntax and rules. But > as you may have felt, I'm more on the "user conveniency" side, even if > we need to sacrifice some consistency. There is a balance here, and I > hope we keep a good one. > > So as I said: let's focus on what you perceive as regressions wrt what > Org allows. > > The subject of this thread does not fall in this category: headlines > have always been starting with stars, there is no regression here. On > the contrary: a few years ago, we had no answer to this FAQ, now we > can help users with several solution when the problem is aesthetic. > > Finally, I agree with Suvayu that the problem *is* mostly aesthetic, > so the solutions we provide are enough (i.e., the FAQ, org-bullets.el > in contrib/.) The question is rather whether we should have an Org > option in core to allow users to tweak the appearance of the stars: > my answer here is "no", because I don't see why users would stop here. > Once we offer such an option for headlines, why not for comments and > other characters with a syntactic role? (I replied a question on > stackoverflow on how to use "%" instead of "#" for comments...) > > Anyway -- Org still stands on the side of users' freedom, let's > fix the real regressions. > > Thanks!