From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: Fwd: puzzling org-mime-htmlize Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:52:22 -0500 Message-ID: <87lhyqfgrd.fsf@alphaville.bos.redhat.com> References: <87ha9gi0o1.fsf@pku.edu.cn> <87sit02boz.fsf@gmail.com> <87lhyqzn5u.fsf@gmail.com> <87txdefq68.fsf@alphaville.bos.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37035) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0yFA-0002uL-2M for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:52:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0yF2-0001U5-K8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:52:44 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:49030) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0yF2-0001Tx-EN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:52:36 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0yF1-0002Jg-1O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:52:35 +0100 Received: from nat-pool-bos-t.redhat.com ([66.187.233.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:52:35 +0100 Received: from ndokos by nat-pool-bos-t.redhat.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:52:35 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Joseph Vidal-Rosset writes: > 2014/1/8 Nick Dokos > > > Hi Nick,  I apolgize, it's difficult for me to be more complete that I was. > > You are kidding, right? > > Hi Nick,  > > No, I did not kidding, unfortunately.  > > I'm replying with gmail, and I am afraid I will give up the project to use Gnus. From yesterday evening, suddenly I have on my > two computers an error message with gnus:  > > 'smtp-server'  not defined.  > I saw your other message where FLIM (whatever that is) is identified as the culprit. One piece of advice: do not install random software packages without thorough testing. The best way to test is with a minimal .emacs that just loads the package under test, start a new emacs with it (emacs -q -l /path/to/min.emacs) and test the heck out of it before admitting it into the set of trusted packages that you load in your everyday emacs session. I routinely have three emacs sessions going: my everyday emacs, a separate one that I use as an IRC client (running erc) and a third short-lived one for tests. My everyday emacs runs for weeks at a time; the irc emacs gets restarted every time I switch networks (I wish erc would maintain the connections, but they get dropped); the short-lived one(s) lasts from a few minutes to a few hours. > I've of course tried to solve this new problem, with help of archives > of mailing lists given by Google, all my tentative are at the moment > unsuccessful...  > > It's both boring and irritating.  > > The least that I expect from an email client is to work > correctly. Gnus worked, for sending and receiving emails, and suddenly > without clear reason, it does not work no more... It is not stable > because I have not changed .gnus.el ...  > ... but you installed FLIM, right? That installed its own smtpmail.el which apparently you picked up in preference to the one that came with emacs. This is a fairly common mistake. > I am sorry to have bothered you for nothing, but I am tired and > disappointed by emailing via emacs. I loose more time in trying to > configure gnus for my gmail account than in reading and replying to my > emails...  > > I will going to try to improve my use of org-mode, but Gnus is not made for me... > Bastien's channeling of Beckett was the perfect answer here, but as usual I have a few more comments :-) Gnus is indeed peculiar: I switched to it about 8 months ago and I'm still not quite comfortable with it. However, although I occasionally use gmail and thunderbird, I'll take an emacs-based mail client over them every time: I used mh-e for many years and switched to gnus only because I wanted an imap server at home - afaik, mh-e (and nmh underneath it) just did not support that use case. As a general principle however, you need to decouple your attempts to use gnus from your attempts to use org. I recently advised somebody not to use all the blades of the org swiss-army knife at the same time. Trying to do that in combination with gnus is turning the knife into a chainsaw (swiss-army chainsaw anyone?) Do them one at a time: it may seem slow and inefficient to you now, but it is much more efficient than the alternative - damhikt... Nick