From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Release Org 9.1 soon ? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 15:11:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgm5upee.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: <87tw0uwxlz.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87lgm542qw.fsf@bzg.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49458) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dlxLK-0005Ao-B4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:11:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dlxLJ-0000UP-IN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:11:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87lgm542qw.fsf@bzg.fr> (Bastien Guerry's message of "Sun, 27 Aug 2017 14:24:55 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Bastien Guerry Cc: Org Mode List Hello, Bastien Guerry writes: > Even if the functionality is buggy and the implementation hugly, some > users may still find it useful, we need to take care of providing good > alternatives. I'm not sure I agree. Org mode is a major mode. We focus on providing decent handling of documents written in Org syntax. Mimicking Org experience within other major modes is a completely different, optional, task. We are doing our best to manage it, but if it gets in the way, it can be dropped. The problem here, as pointed out in the original message, is that Org Struct mode, in addition to being buggy, affects in a bad way Org major mode (basic navigation functions, maintainability...). Unfortunately it cannot be extracted easily. It needs to be rewritten. However, it may be smarter to use, and possibly extend, existing libraries like Outshine (which I don't use) instead. Now, if someone wants to implement a good alternative from the ground up, be my guest, as long as it doesn't imply altering "org.el" in a non-trivial way. Meanwhile, I'm quite certain that excising Org Struct mode is the best option for Org core. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou 0x80A93738