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From: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
To: Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org>
Cc: Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Release Org 9.1 soon ?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 15:11:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lgm5upee.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lgm542qw.fsf@bzg.fr> (Bastien Guerry's message of "Sun, 27 Aug 2017 14:24:55 +0200")

Hello,

Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> writes:

> Even if the functionality is buggy and the implementation hugly, some
> users may still find it useful, we need to take care of providing good
> alternatives.

I'm not sure I agree. Org mode is a major mode. We focus on providing
decent handling of documents written in Org syntax. Mimicking Org
experience within other major modes is a completely different, optional,
task. We are doing our best to manage it, but if it gets in the way, it
can be dropped.

The problem here, as pointed out in the original message, is that Org
Struct mode, in addition to being buggy, affects in a bad way Org major
mode (basic navigation functions, maintainability...).

Unfortunately it cannot be extracted easily. It needs to be rewritten.
However, it may be smarter to use, and possibly extend, existing
libraries like Outshine (which I don't use) instead. Now, if someone
wants to implement a good alternative from the ground up, be my guest,
as long as it doesn't imply altering "org.el" in a non-trivial way.

Meanwhile, I'm quite certain that excising Org Struct mode is the best
option for Org core.

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou                                                0x80A93738

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-27 13:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-26  8:18 Release Org 9.1 soon ? Nicolas Goaziou
2017-08-26 12:30 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-08-27  1:25   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-08-27  1:53     ` Kaushal Modi
2017-08-27  9:39       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-08-27 12:32         ` Bastien Guerry
2017-08-27 12:27   ` Bastien Guerry
2017-08-27 12:24 ` Bastien Guerry
2017-08-27 13:11   ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2017-08-27 14:23     ` Bastien Guerry

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