* org-table-align function changed, where is the old behavior? @ 2019-01-11 0:02 Craig Luthy 2019-01-12 10:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Craig Luthy @ 2019-01-11 0:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1133 bytes --] Hello, I create lots of tables in org-mode, many with lots of information and long cells. The C-c C-c was heaven because it prettied up my table in one action. If I understand what I have read and am seeing, whenever I TAB or RET all the cells are expanded which creates a scrambled mess that is impossible to navigate because all the rows wrap. Shrinking 1 column at a time with C-c TAB is a regretful step backwards. Why did you change the existing functionality. I would have rather seen that retained and a new option to do narrowing one column at a time. I have played with '#+STARTUP: align shrink' but it does not seem to work when I open the buffer. It may work if I open the file for the first time, but that is not what I normally do. I hit many files and just leave the buffers around. Now that you have changed the way org-table-align works, could you also add a "new" feature that works like the originall C-c C-c did and format the column widths in one motion. This is the first time I have interacted with your team so apologize if I have followed the right process. Thanks for your help, Craig Luthy 309-798-4441 [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1328 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: org-table-align function changed, where is the old behavior? 2019-01-11 0:02 org-table-align function changed, where is the old behavior? Craig Luthy @ 2019-01-12 10:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2019-01-12 21:47 ` Craig Luthy 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2019-01-12 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Craig Luthy; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hello, Craig Luthy <luthycraig@gmail.com> writes: > I create lots of tables in org-mode, many with lots of information and long > cells. The C-c C-c was heaven because it prettied up my table in one > action. If I understand what I have read and am seeing, whenever I TAB or > RET all the cells are expanded which creates a scrambled mess that is > impossible to navigate because all the rows wrap. This looks like a bug. Could you provide an ECM? > Shrinking 1 column at a time with C-c TAB is a regretful step > backwards. Why did you change the existing functionality. I would have > rather seen that retained and a new option to do narrowing one column > at a time. > > I have played with '#+STARTUP: align shrink' but it does not seem to work > when I open the buffer. It may work if I open the file for the first time, > but that is not what I normally do. I hit many files and just leave the > buffers around. I think you need to use `C-c C-c' on the STARTUP keyword. > Now that you have changed the way org-table-align works, could you also add > a "new" feature that works like the originall C-c C-c did and format the > column widths in one motion. This behaviour is bound to `C-u C-c C-TAB'. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: org-table-align function changed, where is the old behavior? 2019-01-12 10:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2019-01-12 21:47 ` Craig Luthy 2019-01-19 16:34 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Craig Luthy @ 2019-01-12 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Craig Luthy, emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5837 bytes --] Hi Nicolas, emacs version: GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2018-05-30 orgmode version: Org mode version 9.2 (9.2-elpa @ c:/Users/dad/Dropbox/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20181230/) I don't know what an ECM is. Need some clarification. However, regarding the first issue of TAB and RETURN opening the table. I explained this wrong, and suspect the release was coded up as designed. No error messages were displayed. But, with further analysis, the expansion occurs in at least these scenarios: - if you delete a row out of the table with 'kill-whole-line - insert a row (org-shiftmetadown) then UNDO (undo) - it seems that 'undo opens the table in many cases C-u C-c TAB works as explained. C-c C-c on the STARTUP keyword works as explained. This is the table I was experimenting with: ** TABLES (Section 3.1). insert a vertical bar with `\vert' |-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Key sequence | description | | <20> | <48> | |-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | M-x table-insert | tell it # of cols, rows, cell width & height | | M-x table-capture | turn text into a table - asks for delimiter and other stuff. use ^Q^J for the carriage return. | | C-u C-c TAB | narrow all the columns (was C-c C-c) | | C-c TAB | dynamically narrow column | | C-c - | horizontal line | | C-u C-c - | horizontal line above | | C-c ^ | sort | | C-c + | sum columns | | C-y | insert total | | M-LEFT\RIGHT | move column left\right | | M-S-LEFT | kill column you're in | | M-S-RIGHT | insert col to right | | M-S-UP | kill row | | M-S-DOWN | insert row above | | M-x org-table-import | import TAB-delimited file | | C-c ` | edit truncated text in a separate window. | | C-c \vert | create table from region | | M-x org-table-export | export TAB-delimited file | | S-RET | copy cell above down to current cell | | junk | junk | |-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Thanks for your help. If I need to create a bug report on the unexpected column expansion, I suspect that is what an ECM is, could you point to the right page for sending one? The release note on these changes could use additional information. I was able to find this page (https://orgmode.org/Changes.html#orge5c3346) which helped me initially, but `C-c C-c' on the STARTUP keyword and `C-u C-c C-TAB' mappings you explained to me were missing. - explain the new mapping of C-u C-c TAB which does the old format behavior. - I would have never guessed to do C-c C-c on the STARTUP keyword to format everything in the file. Perhaps a reference to that would be helpful. To me it seems like an unusual thing to do, so I may have missed documentation on this behavior that is found elsewhere. According to general release note (https://orgmode.org/Changes.html) it says that editing a column (do you mean a cell?) opens it up and displays everything. This does not seem to be working for me. "C-`" still works fine for editing long contents. Thanks again, Craig Luthy On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 4:31 AM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > Craig Luthy <luthycraig@gmail.com> writes: > > > I create lots of tables in org-mode, many with lots of information and > long > > cells. The C-c C-c was heaven because it prettied up my table in one > > action. If I understand what I have read and am seeing, whenever I TAB or > > RET all the cells are expanded which creates a scrambled mess that is > > impossible to navigate because all the rows wrap. > > This looks like a bug. Could you provide an ECM? > > > Shrinking 1 column at a time with C-c TAB is a regretful step > > backwards. Why did you change the existing functionality. I would have > > rather seen that retained and a new option to do narrowing one column > > at a time. > > > > I have played with '#+STARTUP: align shrink' but it does not seem to work > > when I open the buffer. It may work if I open the file for the first > time, > > but that is not what I normally do. I hit many files and just leave the > > buffers around. > > I think you need to use `C-c C-c' on the STARTUP keyword. > > > Now that you have changed the way org-table-align works, could you also > add > > a "new" feature that works like the originall C-c C-c did and format the > > column widths in one motion. > > This behaviour is bound to `C-u C-c C-TAB'. > > Regards, > > -- > Nicolas Goaziou > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 8746 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: org-table-align function changed, where is the old behavior? 2019-01-12 21:47 ` Craig Luthy @ 2019-01-19 16:34 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2019-01-19 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Craig Luthy; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hello, Craig Luthy <luthycraig@gmail.com> writes: > I don't know what an ECM is. Need some clarification. Complete minimal example, in French. It's in the FAQ. > However, regarding the first issue of TAB and RETURN opening the table. I > explained this wrong, and suspect the release was coded up as designed. No > error messages were displayed. But, with further analysis, the expansion > occurs in at least these scenarios: > > - if you delete a row out of the table with 'kill-whole-line That is to be expected. Any change to a shrunk cell expands the whole column. > - insert a row (org-shiftmetadown) then UNDO (undo) > - it seems that 'undo opens the table in many cases Ditto. Whenever a change happens in a shrunk cell (or a shrunk part of it), everything is displayed. > The release note on these changes could use additional information. I was > able to find this page (https://orgmode.org/Changes.html#orge5c3346) which > helped me initially, but `C-c C-c' on the STARTUP keyword and `C-u C-c > C-TAB' mappings you explained to me were missing. > > - explain the new mapping of C-u C-c TAB which does the old format > behavior. This is in the manual, at (info "(org) Column Width and Alignment") > - I would have never guessed to do C-c C-c on the STARTUP keyword to > format everything in the file. Perhaps a reference to that would be > helpful. To me it seems like an unusual thing to do, so I may have missed > documentation on this behavior that is found elsewhere. This also is in the manual, at (info "(org) The Very Busy C-c C-c Key") > According to general release note (https://orgmode.org/Changes.html) it > says that editing a column (do you mean a cell?) opens it up and displays > everything. This does not seem to be working for me. It definitely does here. Would you have an ECM? ;) Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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