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Dye" To: Ihor Radchenko Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Babel Forth In-Reply-To: <87zfjhxrb7.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Thu, 23 Jan 2025 19:29:00 +0000") References: <874j1qlgxe.fsf@tsdye.online> <87zfjhxrb7.fsf@localhost> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 10:05:43 -1000 Message-ID: <87ldv1qors.fsf@tsdye.online> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box2035.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tsdye.online X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 50.113.33.148 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1tb3ST-0036CU-0y X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: syn-050-113-033-148.res.spectrum.com (poto-foou.tsdye.online) [50.113.33.148]:33440 X-Source-Auth: tsd@tsdye.online X-Email-Count: 2 X-Org: HG=bhshared;ORG=bluehost; X-Source-Cap: dHNkeWVvbmw7dHNkeWVvbmw7Ym94MjAzNS5ibHVlaG9zdC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfGZOmaId1RxcvC+ZjlW32bqnTyn5EMipGhC0v2BUqBvn3kdxpD6wWeSJ5faZ+KXHjc9Lcb86LqdcrZX9ITnzO3E/fkl1y7z0FXWTeGh2ZwrhxC5Ev6qy utxm+PkTSprcaWB+KlTD6t59Kzw8wezuy/rHgv4nEBV62x9Csk8P4EmXUrRk5kfJaPQUEYd8ChRjW1SHQldp1dF2sSop4LDx/ug= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=44.202.169.33; envelope-from=tsd@tsdye.online; helo=omta034.useast.a.cloudfilter.net X-Spam_score_int: -7 X-Spam_score: -0.8 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD=0.498, PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD=0.756, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.42 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D606C21C38 X-Spam-Score: -2.42 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: cfLeu3+CaRaj Aloha Ihor, Ihor Radchenko writes: > "Thomas S. Dye" writes: > >> My hunch is that the ext: part of ext:gforth expects that >> forth-mode is setup to use the forth-mode distributed with >> GForth. > > Yes. Our policy is to support the official distribution when > possible. Supporting non-standard packages is optional. > >> Spacemacs appears to use forth-mode from Elpa, instead, and I >> find >> forth-mode.el in the elpa subdirectory of my Spacemacs. > > I would be surprised if such a name clash happened on ELPA. > Indeed, it > does not. There is no such package on ELPA. Nonstandard > forth-mode that > overrides the official gforth distribution is on MELPA: > https://melpa.org/#/forth-mode > > Overriding the namespace is a bug. It must be fixed on > https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/forth-mode/ side. > >> If so, could ob-forth.el be patched to enable all Emacs >> users--plain, Spacemacs, Doom, Prelude, Scimax, etc.--to >> evaluate >> Forth code blocks? Or, should ob-doc-forth give instructions >> how >> to setup forth-mode to use the one distributed with GForth? >> >> What is the best way forward here? > > forth-mode from MELPA is grabbing the official namespace. > This problem has been reported in > https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/forth-mode/issues/19 but was > not acted > upon. Eight years ago! > It is honestly not our job to fix such things. I suggest > emphasizing > that ob-forth expects forth-mode distributed officially. OK, will do. > ob-forth broken with Spacemacs/Doom/etc is a problem of > Spacemacs/Doom/etc. Distributing a package does not follow the > basic > lisp conventions is not nice. Agreed. Thanks for tracking this down. I'll get rid of my Spacemacs Forth support and set it up manually instead. All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye https://tsdye.online/tsdye