From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Guerry Subject: Re: Org-mode and taskpaper Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:55:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87k5jh292v.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <52D89C75FEE9444E8D9C016E3730098301177934@chsa1036.share.beluni.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgdDH-0005Qj-Au for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:55:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgdDE-0005QF-I7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:55:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgdDE-0005Q4-4C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:55:28 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.187]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgdDD-0003Gl-KP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:55:27 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 26so2835536fkx.10 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:55:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52D89C75FEE9444E8D9C016E3730098301177934@chsa1036.share.beluni.net> (Egli Christian's message of "Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:18:21 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org "Egli Christian (KIRO 433)" writes: > Hm, reading all the answers to this aprils fools gets me a bit > worried. Nobody seems to see the joke and everybody seems to agree > that org-mode is too bloated. :) I know TaskPaper for quite a long time. A Mac-friend of mine sent me the link because he knew I was hooked to Org. And then we started to discuss about TaskPaper/Org. Not really a flame war -- but still. The interesting thing is that this chat inevitably took the road to the nano/Emacs topic (yes, hot.) He thinks Emacs is wrong because its UI doesn't let newcomers to save a file. I think Emacs is Emacs and people coming to it do not only want to try another editor, they want Emacs. He thinks that whatever people want, Emacs is just a failure in terms of design. I think people not using Emacs shouldn't feel so strong about telling it's crap. Especially those using nano :) Etc. Etc. While thinking back about this discussion drift from the TaskPaper/Org topic to the nano/Emacs one, here's what come to my mind: what would be Emacs without its tutorial? A closed door. So I believe this would be a *huge* benefit for Org to have its own tutorial. Because yes, beginners might be frightened by the size of the manual, by the simple act of asking something on this list, or by spending time looking for the right information on Org websites. > The good thing is that all those features do not get in your way and > you can start using org-mode as a simple outliner and gradualy move up > to use it for task management, notes taking, website publishing, etc > to finally reach eternal bliss when your entire live is one with > org-mode. Exactly. And this would be even more true with a simple, stable tutorial in Org! -- Bastien