* org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
@ 2019-07-25 16:24 Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2019-07-25 16:47 ` Fraga, Eric
2019-07-25 19:15 ` Ken Mankoff
0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2019-07-25 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode list
Hello,
Documentation to create a todo.org list that provides links to email as
tasks is not seldom on the web. I recommend for example
[[http://pragmaticemacs.com/]].
But for gnus-imap-gmail users, it is more difficult to get the same
thing.
Here is a the lines of code in my setup (user.el in Kitchin's scimax)
that work for gnus in imap:
#+BEGIN_SRC elisp
;;capture todo items using C-c c t
(define-key global-map (kbd "C-c c") 'org-capture)
(setq org-capture-templates
'(("t" "todo" entry (file+headline "~/Dropbox/Orgzly/todo.org" "Tasks")
"* TODO [#A] %?\n [[~/Dropbox/Orgzly/links.org::%(org-insert-time-stamp (org-read-date nil t \"%:date\"))]] \n* %(org-insert-time-stamp (org-read-date nil t \"%:date\")) %a ")))
(defun hs/replace ()
(interactive)
(goto-char 1)
(let ((search-invisible t)) (replace-string "gnus:INBOX#" "gnus:%5BGmail%5D/Tous les messages#")))
(define-key global-map (kbd "C-c r") 'hs/replace)
(add-hook 'org-capture-prepare-finalize-hook 'hs/replace)
(defun my/refile (file headline &optional arg)
(let ((pos (save-excursion
(find-file file)
(org-find-exact-headline-in-buffer headline))))
(org-refile arg nil (list headline file nil pos)))
(switch-to-buffer (current-buffer)))
(defhydra jo/org-refile-hydra (:foreign-keys run)
"Refile"
("l" (my/refile "~/Dropbox/Orgzly/links.org" "Links") "Links")
("j" org-refile-goto-last-stored "Jump to last refile")
("q" nil "cancel"))
;; Or whatever you want your keybinding to be
(global-set-key (kbd "<f9> r") 'jo/org-refile-hydra/body)
(global-set-key (kbd "<f9> a") 'org-archive-subtree)
;;refile https://blog.aaronbieber.com/2017/03/19/organizing-notes-with-refile.html
(setq org-refile-targets '((org-agenda-files :maxlevel . 2)))
(setq org-refile-use-outline-path 'file)
(setq org-outline-path-complete-in-steps nil)
(setq org-refile-allow-creating-parent-nodes 'confirm)
(setq org-refile-targets '((nil :maxlevel . 2)
(org-agenda-files :maxlevel . 2)))
(setq org-outline-path-complete-in-steps nil) ; Refile in a single go
(setq org-refile-use-outline-path t) ; Show full paths for refiling
(setq org-refile-targets (quote (("todo.org" :maxlevel . 2)
("links.org" :level . 2)
)))
#+END_SRC
with any file open in emacs, like for example this email, C-c c t
gives the following result that I paste below:
#+BEGIN_SRC elisp
** TODO [#A]
[[~/Dropbox/Orgzly/links.org::<2019-07-25 jeu.>]]
** <2019-07-25 jeu.> [[file:~/News/drafts/drafts/129]]
#+END_SRC
Because I like to see my todo list with conky on my wallpaper, I
refile the second link into links.org and it is now easy to get
immediately from todo.org the correct entry that have the appropriate
link in links.org.
In Gnus, it is the same thing. For example C-c c t in reading the last
email that I received from John Kitchin provides:
#+BEGIN_SRC elisp
** TODO [#A]
[[~/Dropbox/Orgzly/links.org::<2019-07-25 jeu.>]]
** <2019-07-25 jeu.> [[gnus:INBOX#CAJ51ETqLcFTeZvPYg0AuzZL2HGwVGCOewKem8OkZnLL-ES59-g@mail.gmail.com][Email from John Kitchin: Re: scimax question]]
#+END_SRC
But I need to change the mention of INBOX in the link to John's
email. Hence the function hs/replace via C-c r with the cursor on the
link that gives the wanted result:
#+BEGIN_SRC elisp
** TODO [#A]
[[~/Dropbox/Orgzly/links.org::<2019-07-25 jeu.>]]
** <2019-07-25 jeu.> [[gnus:%5BGmail%5D/Tous les
messages#CAJ51ETqLcFTeZvPYg0AuzZL2HGwVGCOewKem8OkZnLL-ES59-g@mail.gmail.com][Email
from John Kitchin: Re: scimax question]]
#+END_SRC
and then the email can be archived in Tous les messages, Gnus will
find it, via imap.gmail.com .
That's it. I hope some of you will find this useful. Let me know. Of
course the code must be adapted according to the language of the gmail
user, it goes without saying.
(In refiling, I do not succeed to get other level that level one for
sections, but it is a detail. )
Best wishes,
--
Jo.
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-25 16:24 org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list) Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2019-07-25 16:47 ` Fraga, Eric
2019-07-25 17:24 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2019-07-26 9:43 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2019-07-25 19:15 ` Ken Mankoff
1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Fraga, Eric @ 2019-07-25 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Vidal-Rosset; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
On Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 18:24, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote:
> But for gnus-imap-gmail users, it is more difficult to get the same
> thing.
[...]
> But I need to change the mention of INBOX in the link to John's
> email.
Why is that? If I create a link to an email from gmail using %a, this
seems to work (having just tested it). Am I missing something? I don't
often link to gmail messages as they are mostly junk emails (in my
case). I know that gmail does not really have imap folders but uses
tags (of a sort) to make it look like emails are in different folders
(or in more than one folder simultaneously) but INBOX seems to work for
me.
Just curious.
--
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.4-399-g4e6222
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-25 16:47 ` Fraga, Eric
@ 2019-07-25 17:24 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2019-07-25 17:33 ` Fraga, Eric
2019-07-26 9:43 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2019-07-25 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fraga, Eric; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
Le jeu. 07/25/19 juil. 2019 à 04:47:14 , "Fraga, Eric"
<e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> a envoyé ce message:
> On Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 18:24, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote:
>> But for gnus-imap-gmail users, it is more difficult to get the same
>> thing.
>
> [...]
>
>> But I need to change the mention of INBOX in the link to John's
>> email.
>
> Why is that? If I create a link to an email from gmail using %a, this
> seems to work (having just tested it). Am I missing something? I don't
> often link to gmail messages as they are mostly junk emails (in my
> case). I know that gmail does not really have imap folders but uses
> tags (of a sort) to make it look like emails are in different folders
> (or in more than one folder simultaneously) but INBOX seems to work for
> me.
>
> Just curious.
Thanks for your question Eric. :)
Of course, INBOX works for you if you do not archive the message in All
emails folder or elsewhere. If you move it from INBOX, in case where you
like to have the cleanest INBOX that is the empty one, you won't get no
more the email via this link.
I wanted to have in IMAP the shortest list to see only three folders in
my Gnus
INBOX
[Gmail]/Tous les messages
[Gmail]/Corbeille
I have defined shortucts: key "Inser" archives email into
[Gmail]/Tous les messages and "Suppr" sends email into
[Gmail]/Corbeille.
The most tricky is to get the Summary [Gmail]/Tous les messages in a
reasonable time, because with a lot of emails, Gnus in imap can be too
slow. My solution is in this line:
(setq gnus-newsgroup-maximum-articles 70000)
and it works.
For people who are reluctant to use offlineimap or mbsync and who
therefore prefer Gnus over mu4e , it makes almost the same job, via
imap.
I can share of course all my setup and I am also curious of improving
it.
Best wishes,
--
Jo.
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-25 17:24 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2019-07-25 17:33 ` Fraga, Eric
2019-07-25 17:41 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Fraga, Eric @ 2019-07-25 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Vidal-Rosset; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
On Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 19:24, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote:
> Of course, INBOX works for you if you do not archive the message in All
> emails folder or elsewhere. If you move it from INBOX, in case where you
> like to have the cleanest INBOX that is the empty one, you won't get no
> more the email via this link.
Okay, yes, if you move it, the link needs to be updated. I wonder if
the gnus registery could help with this? But that's well beyond my
gnus-fu.
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-25 17:33 ` Fraga, Eric
@ 2019-07-25 17:41 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2019-07-25 17:46 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2019-07-25 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fraga, Eric; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
Le jeu. 07/25/19 juil. 2019 à 05:33:57 , "Fraga, Eric"
<e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> a envoyé ce message:
> Okay, yes, if you move it, the link needs to be updated. I wonder if
> the gnus registery could help with this? But that's well beyond my
> gnus-fu.
The only mention of gnus registry in my setup is the following one:
(setq gnus-registry-max-entries 50000)
and, by the way, it is maybe inconsistent with
(setq gnus-newsgroup-maximum-articles 70000)
But without the trick that I just gave, I had no solution, and my
knowledge of gnus is too weak to reply about gnus-registry.
Best wishes,
--
Jo.
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-25 17:41 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2019-07-25 17:46 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-07-25 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> writes:
> Le jeu. 07/25/19 juil. 2019 à 05:33:57 , "Fraga, Eric"
> <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> a envoyé ce message:
>
>> Okay, yes, if you move it, the link needs to be updated. I wonder if
>> the gnus registery could help with this? But that's well beyond my
>> gnus-fu.
>
> The only mention of gnus registry in my setup is the following one:
>
> (setq gnus-registry-max-entries 50000)
>
> and, by the way, it is maybe inconsistent with
>
> (setq gnus-newsgroup-maximum-articles 70000)
You'd have to put (gnus-registry-initialize) in your gnus.el init file
to make use of the registry. And no, I don't think the above settings
have anything to do with one another.
Eric
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-25 16:47 ` Fraga, Eric
2019-07-25 17:24 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2019-07-26 9:43 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2019-07-26 9:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fraga, Eric; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
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Le jeu. 07/25/19 juil. 2019 à 04:47:14 , "Fraga, Eric"
<e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> a envoyé ce message:
> On Thursday, 25 Jul 2019 at 18:24, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote:
>> But for gnus-imap-gmail users, it is more difficult to get the same
>> thing.
>
> [...]
>
>> But I need to change the mention of INBOX in the link to John's
>> email.
>
> Why is that? If I create a link to an email from gmail using %a, this
> seems to work (having just tested it). Am I missing something?
Hi again Eric and everybody,
Considering the code:
#+BEGIN_SRC
;;capture todo items using C-c c t
(define-key global-map (kbd "C-c c") 'org-capture)
(setq org-capture-templates
'(
("t" "todo" entry (file+headline "~/Dropbox/Orgzly/todo.org" "Tasks")
"* TODO [#A] %?\n [[~/Dropbox/Orgzly/links.org::%(org-insert-time-stamp (org-read-date nil t \"%:date\"))]] \n* %(org-insert-time-stamp (org-read-date nil t \"%:date\")) %a "
)
)
)
(defun hs/replace ()
(interactive)
(goto-char 1)
(let ((search-invisible t)) (replace-string "gnus:INBOX#" "gnus:%5BGmail%5D/Tous les messages#")))
(define-key global-map (kbd "C-c r") 'hs/replace)
(add-hook 'org-capture-prepare-finalize-hook 'hs/replace)
(defun my/refile (file headline &optional arg)
(let ((pos (save-excursion
(find-file file)
(org-find-exact-headline-in-buffer headline))))
(org-refile arg nil (list headline file nil pos)))
(switch-to-buffer (current-buffer)))
#+END_SRC
a better option would be to get in only one function org-capture-template
and hs/replace : if string "gnus/INBOX" exists, hs/replace works and
replaces the string, if not, the link is given without change. The
idea is simple, but I do not succeed to realize it, because I do not
know enough the syntax. But I would be surprised if this would be
impossible to make it.
Best wishes,
--
Joseph
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-25 16:24 org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list) Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2019-07-25 16:47 ` Fraga, Eric
@ 2019-07-25 19:15 ` Ken Mankoff
2019-07-26 7:14 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ken Mankoff @ 2019-07-25 19:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Vidal-Rosset; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
On 2019-07-25 at 12:24 -04, Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> wrote...
> Documentation to create a todo.org list that provides links to email as
> tasks is not seldom on the web. I recommend for example
> [[http://pragmaticemacs.com/]].
>
> But for gnus-imap-gmail users, it is more difficult to get the same
> thing.
FYI, here is the mu4e implementation defined so that the standard org-store-link properly work based on msgid:
https://github.com/djcb/mu/blob/master/mu4e/org-mu4e.el#L117
When viewing email I use the same keybindings as elswhere, C-l to store link, and C-c C-l to paste it and I get:
[[mu4e:msgid:325fooetc@mx.google.com][SUBJECT OF EMAIL]]
-k.
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-25 19:15 ` Ken Mankoff
@ 2019-07-26 7:14 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2019-07-26 7:24 ` Ken Mankoff
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2019-07-26 7:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ken Mankoff; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
Le jeu. 07/25/19 juil. 2019 à 03:15:49 , Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com>
a envoyé ce message:
> On 2019-07-25 at 12:24 -04, Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> wrote...
>> Documentation to create a todo.org list that provides links to email as
>> tasks is not seldom on the web. I recommend for example
>> [[http://pragmaticemacs.com/]].
>>
>> But for gnus-imap-gmail users, it is more difficult to get the same
>> thing.
>
> FYI, here is the mu4e implementation defined so that the standard org-store-link properly work based on msgid:
>
> https://github.com/djcb/mu/blob/master/mu4e/org-mu4e.el#L117
>
> When viewing email I use the same keybindings as elswhere, C-l to store link, and C-c C-l to paste it and I get:
>
> [[mu4e:msgid:325fooetc@mx.google.com][SUBJECT OF EMAIL]]
>
> -k.
Many thanks for this information Ken. Did you want to suggest that it is
not difficult to adapt such a function for gnus by replacing the mention
of mu4e by gnus' in the code?
I would be a good thing indeed to avoid this need of updating link that
is presently necessary with gnus working with imap.gmail.com .
Best wishes,
--
Jo.
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-26 7:14 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2019-07-26 7:24 ` Ken Mankoff
2019-07-26 7:41 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ken Mankoff @ 2019-07-26 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Vidal-Rosset; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
On 2019-07-26 at 03:14 -04, Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> wrote...
> Did you want to suggest that it is not difficult to adapt such a
> function for gnus by replacing the mention of mu4e by gnus' in the
> code?
I wasn't suggesting anything, just letting you/others know that the functionality you described exists elsewhere, and hoping that that information would be useful and not noise.
-k.
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-26 7:24 ` Ken Mankoff
@ 2019-07-26 7:41 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2019-07-26 17:30 ` Bob Newell
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2019-07-26 7:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ken Mankoff; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
Le ven. 07/26/19 juil. 2019 à 03:24:52 , Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com>
a envoyé ce message:
> On 2019-07-26 at 03:14 -04, Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> wrote...
>> Did you want to suggest that it is not difficult to adapt such a
>> function for gnus by replacing the mention of mu4e by gnus' in the
>> code?
>
> I wasn't suggesting anything, just letting you/others know that the
> functionality you described exists elsewhere, and hoping that that
> information would be useful and not noise.
Thanks again. I just tried to replace in this part of code "mu4e" by
"gnus", but it would have been too much simple. Of course it does not
work. Maybe someone will find a far better solution than that is mine
presently. I hope so.
Best wishes,
--
Jo.
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-26 7:41 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
@ 2019-07-26 17:30 ` Bob Newell
2019-07-27 9:36 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Bob Newell @ 2019-07-26 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode list
Aloha,
I too came across this long ago. I like a 'zero inbox' and so I archive
(or delete!) my gmail after reading. And indeed, when you move from
INBOX to "All Mail" an org-link to INBOX will no longer function.
I use Gnus and do something rather simple and easy:
(defun changegroupinemaillink (args)
(setcar args
(replace-regexp-in-string
"gmail.com:INBOX"
"gmail.com:[Gmail]/All Mail" (car args)))
args
)
(advice-add 'org-gnus-article-link :filter-args #'changegroupinemaillink)
After this, links point to All Mail and the mail will always be found.
--
Bob Newell
Honolulu, Hawai`i
* Via Gnus/BBDB/Org/Emacs/Linux *
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* Re: org-links for Gnus in imap with Gmail (for a convenient todo.org list)
2019-07-26 17:30 ` Bob Newell
@ 2019-07-27 9:36 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
[not found] ` <87zhkzduzy.fsf@bobnewell.net>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Vidal-Rosset @ 2019-07-27 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bob Newell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode list
Le ven. 26 juil. 2019 à 07:30:38 , Bob Newell <bobnewell@bobnewell.net>
a envoyé ce message:
> Aloha,
>
> I too came across this long ago. I like a 'zero inbox' and so I archive
> (or delete!) my gmail after reading. And indeed, when you move from
> INBOX to "All Mail" an org-link to INBOX will no longer function.
>
> I use Gnus and do something rather simple and easy:
>
> (defun changegroupinemaillink (args)
> (setcar args
> (replace-regexp-in-string
> "gmail.com:INBOX"
> "gmail.com:[Gmail]/All Mail" (car args)))
> args
> )
> (advice-add 'org-gnus-article-link :filter-args #'changegroupinemaillink)
>
> After this, links point to All Mail and the mail will always be found.
Many thanks for your message Bob (I know your impressive website that is
helpful for org-mode, thanks also for that).
My problem is how can I change the following code:
(setq org-capture-templates
'(
("t" "todo" entry (file+headline "~/Dropbox/Orgzly/todo.org" "Tasks")
"* TODO [#A] %?\n [[~/Dropbox/Orgzly/links.org::%(org-insert-time-stamp (org-read-date nil t \"%:date\"))]] \n* %(org-insert-time-stamp (org-read-date nil t \"%:date\")) %a "
)
)
)
in order to get All Mail (or Tous les messages in my case) directly in
the produced link once "t" key is entered?
I have tried to do it with the function hs/replace that I have defined,
without success. I guess that it is of course possible, but it is not
easy for me.
Your help will be again very welcome.
Best wishes,
--
Jo.
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