From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id MDweB1BHYmABcQEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:32:00 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id kGDmAFBHYmC0BgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:32:00 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6265DBE4D for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:31:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46650 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lQzUM-0004cK-JL for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:31:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36422) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lQzTh-0004bZ-7p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:31:17 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:34989) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lQzTd-0005CZ-I7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:31:16 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46FFB2400FD for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:31:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1617053470; bh=r83DHHekywaJ4LZMBoaBZptEEHT4qqTeWYu8tek4DIA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=UDdoTgfdrnfBxQ+RLto/dg/HBSxFKTIdaEs593bl87imWhJY4tJWPcV5D8nrOz1qf h+S+lb5LHTtkOE27H3uSYS9TFeNCQXbuJzAioFd8aEhpy3yoCSkA7aYYSrGZ8OO5Gi 5wYylFyTmEY7Tg29wkeS0ceuPg8gskGqVtM955cfs7kjEmJPw6RLvdAae6Z2I36Vs7 GxTTDUm6fTWffGMTueFQZoSN2jVi28jF3Zqk8wYk8TUujbotcantf7bB8ZC4y1uP7t HuZ3CugcfGHpzI3PI3WQTE71e4vd7OSoSksrq24XpeV8iKyUs1c/MsN99g2XNPtais PI4qWOUAPc3Yg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4F8Qk52ssmz6tmM; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:31:09 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Ypo Subject: Re: About exporting References: <88a3facd-2f95-42b7-135a-d2ec6a730ba7@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:31:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <88a3facd-2f95-42b7-135a-d2ec6a730ba7@gmail.com> (Ypo's message of "Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:37:09 +0200") Message-ID: <87k0ppir50.fsf@posteo.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617053519; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=7ybwhb19eTWR4IxvXZmz/eOs7YA753i2CNRImLWoFqQ=; b=dAC4eA60dZTWylX/zao++4O8S90C6amSKGfLhqXcdOXi1i953vPz4CawtOKk+r5ehJAdeo mufbrv1L5ARqpryI1GaVoaMKD/AAcL2czb1s9bZwYAQneEyUV4OsiqRpZVDdKQ+/vZKngT CpHivYtYNBNt2DBsszsSRwic2Rmon5fw+x0D4nB+Xbeyw2Anft1WqawZqjkXkAyP94kHqr uJQVp972QLzo9IccFlknXHBVdRxfKxARrP4MpdqI/ghGCO5kLu8WnL76uzi6abkjigF0Rw sJrryd3bBhmINZ5K7ip99e7lEhoneUBGxi8uWeMgqw+HqLWJlDpVi4S/jy1QSA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617053519; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=uR0451R6enPzziIfod0rpp3sPAVy/QGhy6Coub/vu/+m/PM+Ac7qBMlnZtll1YHjiL95g2 byR2YdtFR7uPN/1kXEfv5I80uokKfu40eCobFi3Gzs+ywF2us5sLtxbodj4u/HdnP1GS3B qQZVxvzqTHyjmHZOV0pcOxEJS5Ptd+QoiJFqkUMLysrWFEiIqt25cLJMOWVHM7DW68oaTu heT2u8YpclOiENi7g/NhCIimtwYydZWUVVVtEDiTAgxZRVSlKHOEXuyP1v8GleebUPvI9R pPZFnHI84vECJL5ZM+ONjQePkCT9leMqrzZOUBdreugbEvI+gKgKHsHnzWJDSw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=UDdoTgfd; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.62 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=UDdoTgfd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6265DBE4D X-Spam-Score: -1.62 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ttyv67Qzu1ql Hi, Ypo writes: > LaTeX: I can see some masters here that make professional books, and I > have some friends that publish scientific papers using LaTeX. But, it > looks like a like a rabbit hole to me, since even the masters seem to > have to modify the tex file directly (is this correct?), not being > sufficient orgmode to culminate the work by itself. And to learn LaTeX > seems a lifelong activity (almost like "learning" orgmode). BTW, when > I export to LaTeX although it gets the job done, it sends a lot of > error messages. I can tell you some points about my experience with the export to LaTeX, since that's what I work the most with. The advantages of using Org instead of "pure" LaTeX (as I already discussed in another thread) are, IMHO, (a) being able to work on a much lighter and human readable source (consider, for example, what a list looks like in Org and what it looks like in LaTeX); and (b) be able to export to various formats consistently from a single source. Therefore, it would not be necessary to edit the *.tex document, as we would lose the latter advantage. Of course, if you want to use Org to create "refined" documents or books with LaTeX, you're going to have to learn LaTeX. But "learning LaTeX" is a imprecise term, since LaTeX has a minimal kernel concept expanded by a (infinity of) macro packages. Even you can write your own packages, if you know how to do it. That is, learning latex involves: a) learning LaTeX syntax (which is not especially arduous) and b) learn the packages you are going to use (and, therefore, *study its documentation*). The documentation for each package is on CTAN (https://www.ctan.org/); you also have, of course, lots of online documentation about LaTeX and TeX in general. A very good place is https://tex.stackexchange.com/ My personal story has been to use LaTeX for years, until I decided to do it from Org, but still using LaTeX ... It also depends on the type of book/document you want to make. When deals with very large books I usually create the preamble in a Org document separately, and then I tangle the code in a tex file. And I also use Org Publish to separate the parts of the book into small documents (very useful). Another great thing about Org, on the other hand, is that it has many resources for control the export process. For example, in a book I'm working on I noticed that the font has a kerning (separation between characters) too close between the sign "(" and the italic "f", producing a rather ugly effect. Simply, with a simple function in Elisp I was able to readjust that space in the export process (see: https://orgmode.org/manual/Advanced-Export-Configuration.html#Advanced-Export-Configuration) All of this that I have discussed, of course, may sound too abstract. But I can comment in more detail on more specific issues, if you have any questions :-) Best regards, Juan Manuel