From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id SGLmIzb6wmJa8wAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 16:33:26 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id kL3AIzb6wmKpWAEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 16:33:26 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 545BA25FD for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2022 16:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59114 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8N8e-0000Dz-VX for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 10:33:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43864) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8Mc0-00034R-Pe for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 09:59:41 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:36044) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8Mby-0000jt-Rc for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 09:59:40 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o8Mbw-0009Yv-O6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:59:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Uwe Brauer Subject: Re: [more absurd] Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:59:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87k08t7zcy.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87iloeatbo.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87bku6arzq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <875ykeaqrh.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87zghpa2f0.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86o7y5ide4.fsf@login.ifi.uio.no> <87czel9vee.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=sha256; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:61yaSaEaBwSzZcjxe8zT+P32nTE= Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656945206; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=g17EupcSdlq1AxfnL1QW5zfDAWRKL+Aw1CuTu7ZZ1mo=; b=tY9JD8UYG3iI45iReo9FZGGZBCsQx2MXDWU0G6IZITqtpo7Z5HBjH/RqOtyVmUTZVyfvv3 R2qQ2f+PMtP8FhIIliqszIB91i/Bkpdm/UzcvY18p4kAsV9OAmGggB5qLWurfH8GaadL9j YFr2j+8AIGPGAbkd2Mby6jY6P6xm25+5kqsJSn7j3n0io0sNLW749BpBy4xJOiapaK/z7I iaTtewl4yWl+ff2BsO1P8JzHbeLZiOTP3DUbQ940IAYrvZ6bA+XZn+MD+EhshWk3zV0DjZ dezB9rnJZ/5RcHlgLeucvObtOZFU9YYTuEAPILex5WDT+Ne3tWALK6FGpbKZow== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656945206; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=I0eLSb7rpnD3NBC10toFV2a0+En45mwNWFbVuU/XJtkzSdnJUxxEh0AfbPrVmwK9J6wHu4 XDRQzJarjl35EsSte4kimuOTbiH6430Hv3TzZBzj0pU3WnoMLgZRMMhq3iAeZ485sO18u2 7aeqXOEXd+PVWuzrtGIwi9mrhUp0HcmxAxq8Bv4zo0gOG+rdVJbW8bhMQGf2/yRCAj7RpS sgkUSnb4VtJisjpIySsqyOozMPsKYz0zY48RTAOV90akdQ3eKRNCMOPsKkRwr/+olF0Alo oA1dDCMDxtCapJz/goxDaQvCfC4S02xLKN5cFlSs4QdWF2WXZy2UerDo6I+wcA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=mat.ucm.es (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.15 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=mat.ucm.es (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 545BA25FD X-Spam-Score: 0.15 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: eLe5eRYQwW+0 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> writes: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 09:42:01AM +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: > [...] >> That is the first time I remember that on this list, questions of the >> foundation of mathematics are discussed =F0=9F=98=89 > Such things happen :) >> Back to the point, maybe I am too conservative, but I would include 0 >> within the natural numbers, > If you really were, you wouldn't. Peano himself didn't ;-) Well, as far as I remember my university first course, he did, and according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms or you mentioned German https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano-Axiome He did! But I have no access right now to his original work >> and the example I started with, needs to >> cover that case (student marks range between 0 to 10 both included), so >> sorting should work (for me) in that case. > See? I went to school in Spain, so I know about that 0..10 scale. > But then I went to school in Germany, so I also know about the > 6..1 scale. Go figure :) Well, but Germany switched to the 0-15 scale a long long time ago, at least= for high school.... >> I don't see, so far any benefit for not considering 0 in that sorting >> process. > But your concrete problem isn't a sorting process at all, just a > conversion process: empty space gets translated to zero. As someone > else found out in this thread. Ah right, ok so that seems then a but to me, the whole point of my sorting is to find empty fields. Uwe=20 =2D-=20 I strongly condemn Putin's war of aggression against the Ukraine. I support to deliver weapons to Ukraine's military.=20 I support the ban of Russia from SWIFT. 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