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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 01:29:12 -0600 Message-ID: <87k00aw43b.fsf@red-bean.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.79.25.59; envelope-from=kfogel@red-bean.com; helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4AC1C219FC X-Spam-Score: -3.16 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Karl Fogel Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-TUID: qXSudzsHwGG6 Hey everyone, is there a reason we don't bind `org-fold-hide-subtree' by default in Org Mode? I bind it to C- and now find this to be one of the most useful keybindings in Org Mode. I suspect my workflow is pretty typical. The use case is simple: When reading material within a certain heading level, one often decides that one is done with that section (and therefore done with everything inside it -- including anything at deeper levels of nesting). So one just folds the entire subtree around point and moves on, without changing the visibility of any of the sibling-or-higher subtrees around it (because often the next place one is going is one of them). This is one of my most frequent actions in Org Mode. In fact, I think it might be the most common Org Mode command I run. It seems like an obvious thing have bound to a key, and yet Org Mode doesn't bind it by default. Should we? (I put it on "C-" because that's normally unbound in Org Mode, and because so many of the Org Mode cycling commands involve modified tab already. But I don't feel strongly about the particular key, as long as it's fast to type; maybe there's a better key available.) I looked for prior discussion about this in the archives and didn't find anything: https://list.orgmode.org/?q=org-fold-hide-subtree Best regards, -Karl