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Tue, 20 Aug 2024 22:10:57 +0200 From: Gregor Zattler To: Ihor Radchenko , Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Case insensitivity of simple [[links]] In-Reply-To: <87sf6dbmrp.fsf@localhost> References: <87o7ht2oak.fsf@localhost> <87zg198b8s.fsf@localhost> <87edi9i3by.fsf@localhost> <87sf6dbmrp.fsf@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: Ihor Radchenko , Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?A?= =?utf-8?Q?damkovi=C4=8D?= , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 22:10:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87jzgbnefn.fsf@no.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qXjn4fTuEpjyXmSSePdIF4n19CrY3A27gQBXPMSek9ZSy+kDGd2 3fbxcKZhTN0tw3Dfg+1tNK07Gj0E4TFe6jocufJQP/oVAmjupCqJHmdlhuiIwUy/QCbZyRC UExPR1rEEff1JVqN+gKh+iDf1rwQdIAtMdPrHpsGuq51O+w6pb32YJfdMEO/XIOBjWYrs/G akBE0S+YfB7561m38ikkg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Mpzq7GB91Yo=;jFAEBQSTwBJwjL2fcswEw8DRnl/ E+H2xBHeXFzW9RVYBgF5bpKi11IoSagv1mWqgduTwC0/aan/isPVqMr21CXqg4LWZdQwq1Ull R1wzUIGiPuG/5nyHyBjWQkd/HDcB6D6dgN/Qmw6uO/XoFSMIeST+ZtjptKO0sB/7Lxtay2jKv oivreRTzgR0WZ4wGWjKsGD5uNKtXM0r/qhFAs8qBYy4a5rPC8Z1fK6s2hK2Rh1bkCLbXvU7Or 7GIX6Qnw5ih98Y8u3EKi5Ni2kMg91DbnD6DpYCznM86fxB3zFlHeGi5ho4NgI4PFb/PBzgLig ROjiH/GvTLEoTBLR36Ns8DiwyC4fzBpsxJJiIGM5zxvJlkmSutLEzBPYh0TsHujsMVZEGKBgw Wj+rDHXXQP6hOAJ/ydMfkpdYrbsBc0sgB3fS3YceKkRjO3rmaKiwy7Gy7UT2sOs1YIoDvOO2v TQbbdPSIKAXWzAbWbNxVj+0WXeAjJ4iR9tWouN9P//FSR9NF9dvT5V4Es0CLoaTJYYb1WxZgF YEDucs6WjK0yVF0sJb9ngf2lH+pO6y8LBtcYIsuEbbHzflEg+Ad49S5US1tR6QHPjlgu6WPDm E4Rf0uL5+bPAyIxgRs1kj99NFxvBCdovLuTZAs8gIEfJMRiBgiB2zSXMCpFzM4ymNinDRRsI+ NZdm3dXDFyJjo14Zwu+tnq4jr/z5g1pGhzkYJKih2sbiCM6McLCzYLjRw3Uop4zoxEzBDATwr axekbCJ0pEAUX9xzaXpjcSobYTtSHShRk2Zs3876Zsl13+GoSc7tdhZZ9MokdELMmWb0+LwNB HWQXXJuNw5acwiwpTgOS1f+g== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.18; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: -10.70 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D20ECD3D6 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.70 X-TUID: K0DLKd8D/V5m Hi Ihor, Rudolf, * Ihor Radchenko [2023-10-14; 09:01 GMT]: > Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D writes: > >>> What about [[Link][link]]? >> >> That makes Org documents hard to read in *plain text*, that is without >> the "descriptive links" fontification. Here is my note again, compare: >> >> EXAMPLE 1: Hard-to-read, unhelpful markup: >> >> The set of [[Cellular membrane][cellular membrane]]-bound >> [[Organelle][organelle]]s inside of the [[Eukaryotic cell][eukaryotic >> cell]] that work together on the synthesis and distribution of >> [[Protein][protein]]s and [[Lipid][lipid]]s. >> >> EXAMPLE 2: Lightweight, helpful markup: >> >> The set of [[cellular membrane]]-bound [[organelle]]s inside of the >> [[eukaryotic cell]] that work together on the synthesis and >> distribution of [[protein]]s and [[lipid]]s. > > Note that there is generally no guarantee that [[name]] link will be > exported as "name" by any particular backend. Your workaround with > num:nil is just a workaround that may or may not work in future. actually this workaround does /not/ work around if [link] does not point to a heading but to a direct target <>, which is my usage scenario. I asked in [1] for exporting [[link]] to be exported (at least in HTML, PDF, ODT, IMHO in any case) to a link rendered as "link" not as a number. In case of a numbered heading/object it should render as the heading/object, e.g. "5. link" if the heading/object is the fifth. My reasoning is similar to Rudolfs plea for case-insensitive links: typing [[link]] is so much easier and better to read, than my workaround [[link][link]], which renders as "link" (at least in HTML export). As a side note: ASCII export might be tricky, though. ATM this: =20=20=20=20 #+LANGUAGE: en =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 These are three links: [[cat]], [[flower]], [[heast][heast]]. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 - <> Cat :: An animal. - <> Flower :: a plant. - <> Heast :: We don't know, used for baking and brewing. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 exports as UTF text to: =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 These are three links: 1, 2, [heast]. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Cat An animal. Flower a plant. Heast We don't know, used for baking and brewing. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [heast] Unknown reference Which is not that helpful. Thinking about it, it might be helpful, if there was an option to export "<>" as "target" (in all export backends). Regards, Gregor [1] https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87plq3nslb.fsf@no.lan/