From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Maus Subject: Re: Re: using orgmode to send html mail? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dan Davison Cc: Vagn Johansen , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============0544492370== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="pgp-sign-Multipart_Fri_Apr__2_19:25:12_2010-1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --pgp-sign-Multipart_Fri_Apr__2_19:25:12_2010-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dan Davison wrote: >[...] >> It just makes no sense to create such a nested message: If the >> recipient requires html markup than send him html markup. Why such a >> nested message? >Hi David, >What about if I'm sending an email containing some org-mode elements >like tables, and also some code. I want the reader to he able to see the >plain text structure of the tables, so that they know exactly what's >going on. But for the code, I would like those using webmail clients to >see nicely formatted, fontified code. >Is that a potential justification? I cannot answer this question because the whole idea of sending just some parts of the entire document is based on a horrible mistake: > But for the code, I would like those using webmail clients to see > nicely formatted, fontified code. I understand this idea, but: MIME is about message transport, not message display. You want the message displayed in a certain way but You have little control over how the content is displayed on the recipients side. To give an example: I've sent one of the "complex" MIME messages to a mail account at GMX, a quite popular german mail hoster and opened it in the web interface. The message was constructed like this (using mml like markup): < #part type="text/plain"> First MIME entity < #multipart type="alternative"> < #part type="text/plain"> Second in plain text < #part type="text/html"> Second in HTML < /#multipart> < #part type="text/plain"> Third MIME entity. < #part type="text/plain"> Fourth in plain text < #part type="text/html"> Fourth in HTML < /#multipart> - when I first opened the message I had to toggle the NoScript extension to allow iframes: http://s10.directupload.net/file/u/15851/wydtca3n_png.htm - after that the html was shown, but... totally messed up http://s10.directupload.net/file/u/15851/j43xqkjt_png.htm - and finally I chose "plain text" display http://s1.directupload.net/file/u/15851/plz64u4a_png.htm And the second and fourth part was silently dropped. Sending a simple message with a plain text body followed by it's html representation was displayed fine: http://s10.directupload.net/file/u/15851/ojdn8pdl_png.htm See what I mean? -- David -- OpenPGP... 0x99ADB83B5A4478E6 Jabber.... dmjena@jabber.org Email..... dmaus@ictsoc.de --pgp-sign-Multipart_Fri_Apr__2_19:25:12_2010-1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iF4EABEIAAYFAku2KHgACgkQma24O1pEeObX+QEA7EBW8JZ30rEJh2blgpNc5S0U G7pUPqAsbPuOBfY0mEEBAOyVIwNHdUQmlKCL8XhlBK4HQh2q1ULXeLaSApzGJK0p =JlwF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pgp-sign-Multipart_Fri_Apr__2_19:25:12_2010-1-- --===============0544492370== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. 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