From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Achim Gratz Subject: Re: Babel related bug in elpa version 20121231 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:45:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87ip7bsvk0.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <1342018996.75825.YahooMailNeo@web29804.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <8738ygbpvg.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87mwworttu.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87wqvrc2hu.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40373) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrSBh-0003xo-MA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:45:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrSBg-0005Mv-19 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:45:17 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:56607) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrSBf-0005MV-QU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:45:15 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TrSBs-0006qn-J1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:45:28 +0100 Received: from pd9eb2c7d.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.235.44.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:45:28 +0100 Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb2c7d.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:45:28 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Bastien writes: >> I hope that a later version of Emacs (not the upcoming 24.3, though) >> will properly move the bundled Org into a package. That's been talked >> about for a while, but has not happened since it will likely require a >> few more tweaks to the way package manager works. > > Please don't push into this direction. I think you are misunderstanding what packetizing Emacs' builtin packages means. Stefan Monnier has already said that he intends to have Org (and other packages that are maintained outside Emacs) as built-in packages within Emacs so that they become easier to update between releases of Emacs from ELPA. The plan until now seems to be to use package manager, however that is currently missing some infrastructure to make it happen, mainly it needs to allow package directories for Emacs, the site and the user (just like lisp/). I think we should push for package manager to be extended with the necessary support and then for Org to be the first package that makes the move. > I wish one day org-mode will be the default mode for etc/{TODO,PROBLEMS} > and such files in Emacs, instead of outline-mode. > > I also wish Emacs can read an ~/.emacs.org init file. These are completely separate issues. > So I strongly think Org should remain into Emacs' core. Nobody said otherwise. > (Modularity is like automation: the idea always looks appealing, > but the reality is not always so.) This is not about modularity at all (Org already is modularized in that sense since it is maintained outside Emacs), it is about maintainability and release management. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables