From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Outline cycling does not preserve point's position
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:48:22 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ioy92mvd.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5855E8E1-9730-4A29-89FF-E35C64E54EDD@gmail.com
Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> On 10.9.2013, at 05:47, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 9.9.2013, at 17:41, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> It is extremely predictable if you know about the structure of an Org
>>>> document and if you think in elements.
>>>
>>> It's a Sexp motion.
>>>
>>>> It is unexpected for a user who is used to C-arrow doing paragraph
>>>> motion. In Org, org-backward-element climbs out if a hierarchy. This
>>>> is not what happens in other modes with this command. That is what
>>>> I mean with unexpected.
>>>
>>> OK. Do you want it to return an error if there's no element at the same
>>> level above (or below for the forward counterpart)?
>>
>> No, I guess not. Lets just leave it the way it is, but implement
>> alternative behavior in source code blocks. I agree with the arguments you make below.
>
> One more thought: What if the paragraph motion commands did use elements, but
> ignored the hierarchy. So they jump to the next headline, paragraph, table, src block, item?
>
> I think this would feel similar to what paragraph motion does in text mode.
>
> - Carsten
I once got halfway through implementing a pair of functions,
org-next-element and org-previous-element, that would do just that (and
for this very reason -- I still feel like the present behavior of "M-}"
and "M-{" is surprising and inconvenient). org-next-element sort of went:
1. Check if org-element-at-point has a :contents-begin, and if it does,
and we're not there yet, then go to it (then skip over property drawers).
2. If it doesn't, or we're already there, call org-forward-element.
I can't remember why I didn't finish it. I think there were weird edge
cases, and org-previous-element turned out to be more complicated, and I
got distracted. I do think these would be better options for M-{ and
M-}, though...
E
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Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-07 12:11 Outline cycling does not preserve point's position Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-07 14:17 ` Carsten Dominik
[not found] ` <BED1FBAA-8BB5-45D6-8328-11C0BB2DF015-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-07 19:28 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-08 6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-09 7:57 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-08 11:03 ` Eric Schulte
2013-09-09 8:39 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-08 16:23 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-09 8:11 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-09 8:13 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-09 8:23 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-09 8:27 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-09 8:33 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-09 8:38 ` Bastien
2013-09-09 9:05 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-09 11:32 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-09 11:49 ` Bastien
2013-09-09 15:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-09 14:23 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-09 15:16 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-09 15:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-09 17:42 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-10 3:47 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-10 6:03 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-10 6:48 ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2013-09-10 7:32 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-10 7:53 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-10 7:58 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-10 8:16 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-10 8:50 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-10 9:02 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-10 9:50 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-10 16:33 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-10 18:35 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-10 18:39 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-10 19:22 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-10 19:40 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-10 19:52 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-10 18:58 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-10 19:07 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-10 19:48 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-10 20:13 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-10 20:29 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-10 21:08 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-11 12:24 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-12 6:54 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-12 9:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-12 9:28 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-12 9:47 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-11 2:49 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-11 11:09 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-11 11:34 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-11 15:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-11 15:40 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-11 15:31 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-11 15:40 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-11 16:14 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-11 20:01 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-11 22:11 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-12 6:43 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-12 9:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-12 10:12 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-12 7:17 ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-13 10:57 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-13 22:29 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-14 5:33 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-14 17:16 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-09-15 4:39 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-10 20:16 ` Samuel Wales
2013-09-10 5:06 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-11 3:57 ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-11 15:47 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-09 8:38 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-09 11:30 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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