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This is Emacs bug. https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D60085 > Similarly, as far I as can see, 'M-x org-attach-attach' fails right > away, but works after having been used once with the standard (menu) > way. I guess we can make this function autoloaded. Are there are any other function that you often try to call via M-x and miss? > List (of non interactive functions that might be thought interactive > to the ignorant): > > - =E2=80=98C-u C-u =E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98org-set-startup-visibility=E2= =80=99) What about doing something like - =E2=80=98C-u C-u =E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98org-cycle=E2=80=99 =E2=9F=B6 = =E2=80=98org-set-startup-visibility=E2=80=99) There is no reason to make some of the listed functions interactive - they are not designed to be interactive. > - =E2=80=98S-=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98org-property-next-allowed-values= =E2=80=99)=20 > > Shouldn't it be 'org-property-next-allowed-value'? > > - =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98org-agenda-bulk-remove-all-marks=E2=80=99= )=20 > > Shouldn't it be 'org-agenda-bulk-unmark-all'? > > - =E2=80=98C-c C-e=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98org-export=E2=80=99)=20 > > Shouldn't this one be 'org-export-dispatch'? > > - =E2=80=98C-c '=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98org-edit~special=E2=80=99)=20 > > This must be a typo, right? > > - =E2=80=98C-c C-e o o=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98org-export-to-odt=E2=80=99)=20 > > Shouldn't it be 'org-odt-export-to-odt'? Fixed, on bugfix. Thanks! https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/commit/?id=3Df33d24108 --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at