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To get this, just customize `org-cycle-emulate-tab' to nil. > Hm, for me, TAB does not currently seem to do any indenting anywhere in > an Org file. It just means that is not configured to do anything in your Emacs. By default, the Org's fallback is `org-cycle-emulate-tab' or whatever global is bound to. > If people use tab for indentation in Org out of the box when not on > headings (which it has never done for me, I think), my suggestion would > indeed be moot. does a lot of staff. Just read through `org-cycle' docstring. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at