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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5790BAFBE X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: MIaOnaW6ZFqX Aloha Suhail, Suhail Singh writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87ppydmigz.fsf@gmail.com/t/#u > > Thank you for that reference. I also found a reference on=20 > lwn.net: > . > > The article made an interesting observation, and one that I=20 > didn't know > to be true: > > #+begin_quote > But anybody who has signed such agreement might want to be=20 > aware that > the FSF thinks it owns their changes, regardless of whether=20 > they have > been publicly posted or explicitly submitted for inclusion.=20 > One could > argue that entirely private changes made by a signatory to=20 > that > agreement are, despite being seen by nobody else, owned by the > FSF. Even an entirely separate function written in Emacs Lisp=20 > =E2=80=94 > something which is not necessarily a derived work based on=20 > Emacs and > which thus might not be required to be distributed under the=20 > GPL =E2=80=94 > might be subject to a claim of ownership by the FSF, at least=20 > until > Richard has a chance to "think about" the situation. That may=20 > be a bit > more than some signatories thought they were agreeing to. > #+end_quote > > This may be off-topic, but I figured readers of this mailing=20 > list might > find the above interesting (assuming it is still FSF's stance on=20 > the > topic). >From my perspective, the quote is confused about the concept of=20 "ownership". IMHO, it is helpful to distinguish a right of property--a claim=20 that others can be excluded from the use or enjoyment of=20 something--and a right of person--a claim that one cannot be=20 excluded from the use or enjoyment of something. Ownership is often analyzed as a bundle of rights; in these cases=20 full ownership means establishment of a property right. The FSF strives to establish rights of person in software code, so=20 that we all can use and enjoy it however we want, with the=20 restriction that we cannot exclude others from the same use and=20 enjoyment. With the distinction between a right of property and a=20 right of person in mind, it is clear that FSF does not claim=20 ownership. hth, Tom --=20 Thomas S. Dye https://tsdye.online/tsdye