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X-Received-From: 2a01:4f8:200:546b::9e15:1 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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This was fine so long as we > had 'org-gnus' (and other similar modules). But in org 9.3 this has > become 'ol-gnus' (and ol-bbdb and so on). Now, 'ol-gnus' and the rest > are included in the stock value of org-modules, but this was > over-ridden by my customized version. No more org-gnus to load! So I > lost functionality as described in my complaint. I stumbled over this too, seeing how earlier this morning my [bbdb: links ] in org files refused work. (I don't use that daily, clearly!) Looking in my init.el "customisation" section, I see org-bbdb, org-bibtex, org-docview, org-gnus, org-info, org-irc, org-mhe, org-rmail, and org-w3m. Did I put those there? I guess. So, I remove these, but even though I restarted Emacs, now the value of org-modules is nil. Whereas the documentation says the orginal value is all of the above - except entitled ol-$name instead of org-$name. So, should I add all of these modules back via customization? Org mode version 9.3 GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (Debian emacs-snapshot)