From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id wExRLocam16saAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:19:35 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id 2D4AIIwam14NYgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:19:40 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8635F941F43 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58768 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPpFo-0001Jk-JE for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:19:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38953) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPpE0-0001EB-Va for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:17:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jPpDu-00082A-9Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:17:39 -0400 Received: from lvs-smtpgate1.nz.fh-koeln.de ([139.6.1.47]:15377) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jPpDt-00081A-W9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:17:38 -0400 IronPort-SDR: KZiN8zMQPpor7RlvFGlPWyQ5QPQBo3WWujzWvjgUbJP808/VauyyijYaszfrIyjXpp1GoH/T5A Ak6MpFmpQB+SrbCe3oD/WXghUBGFCqz6yd/SJyLWzB59LR6GL/xRC3uy16Wd9IHzAmpVF72IRY 1T7x02p8mXfmwfNpJNsmf7ENKqKwDR6liDFkFDsV7vW8yL7SQ1XFzf4OZ0Cz1GQgj3WM8TU4my R1lMdqzYcJgkwc1SUQ4b7O8zeZUvuMzllvuR++cta5a/ET2tx5C7HldrNKY7Om6EcWQBFaIMyH Yfs= Received: from p54b94c71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO localhost) ([84.185.76.113]) by smtp.intranet.fh-koeln.de with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256; 18 Apr 2020 17:17:34 +0200 References: <87v9lz1h1v.fsf@th-koeln.de> <874ktgc2u1.fsf@gmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.3 From: "Prof. Dr. Johanna May" To: Ken Mankoff , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Overleaf equivalent for org-babel users? 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I'm looking into cocalc now. I already got it to compile some test.org file as pdf. I also set up a test file there in order to start finding out how to do this. Next step, I guess, would be to see, if org-babel works. Unfortunately, it looks like a bit more work since for collaboration I need to find out about versioning and testing the stuff and also about how to get some very simple interface working there, maybe for small edits github is nicer. But I have to admit, my experience on tramp (what is that?) and git is very limited, so I don't yet have an idea of how to set that up in a good way. Jupyter Notebooks are not what I feel is right for lecture notes in that subject since they cannot display circuitikz and latex export is not the way it should be. It's not a programming class I'm teaching and many students do prefer the pdf they can either print out or annotate in some software on their tablets or just display on their smartphone. The exam is in writing and on paper. I do also provide some jupyter notebooks, but only for the interested part of the class and they surely can manage without that. As always, such options are rather taken up by the more skilled, and not so much by the weaker students, unfortunately. Cheers, have a good weekend! J Am Samstag, 18. April 2020 um 15:59 schrieb Ken Mankoff ... > Hi Dr. May, > > Unfortunately I have not found Emacs + Org to be the right tools when col= laborating. What we need is a way for Org wrap/interface/edit Jupyter Noteb= ooks, since that seems to be becoming the standard. Unfortunately. > > I have had some luck with a hybrid approach using the Sage Notebook serve= r. That project is no longer active (perhaps due to the success of Jupyter = Notebooks?), but I think you can do something similar with either Google Co= lab https://colab.research.google.com or more likely CoCalc https://cocalc.= com/ > > Google Collab is just an interface to Jupyter Notebooks. > > CoCalc can also just run Jupyter Notebooks, but also lets you have a full= Linux environment, bash shell, ssh, git, etc. I think you may need to pay = for this level of service, but you could then run emacs remotely via ssh, o= r locally and use tramp. If the backend is git you may be able to work loca= lly and sync with the webserver interface to the tools that your colleagues= would see. > > I still don't think your colleagues would be directly editing your Org so= urce though, but you may be able to get close to what you're looking for on= those sites. Good luck, and please do post back here if you come up with a= good solution. > > -k. > > On 2020-04-16 at 10:22 -07, Prof. Dr. Johanna May > wrote... >> Hey there, >> >> I've been preparing lecture notes with org-mode and lualatex export >> that include python diagrams and so on for about more than a year. Now >> my colleagues and team start to get interested in tweaking the >> results. Therefore, we would need some kind of online collaboration >> solution similar to overleaf that can compile the latex including the >> python (org-babel) inserts. And, obviously, versioning would also come >> in handy, so that would rather be github / gitlab functionality. >> >> Does anyone know of a solution like overleaf that can be used for >> that? Could you point me at your description of any setup needed? Or, >> alternatively, do you have some good description of how to set up a >> server / virtual machine that can do that? (at best including a >> virtual emacs interface, so not all users have to do all the >> installations locally)? If so, that description would also interest >> me. >> >> I would like to either use some online platform like overleaf or >> explain to my university colleagues who already have servers running >> what they could do for me. >> >> The problem is, that the collaboration colleagues are not good friends >> with coding (they prefer word to latex, excel to python ... until now, >> at least), so I'm not very inclined to suggest them to start using >> emacs. I would very much prefer some web-based solution to get them >> started. Also, such a solution might provide ways of having students >> contribute smaller bits and pieces without having to go thru the whole >> learning curve of learning the use of emacs, installing all the tools, >> etc.pp. Any ideas? >> >> Thank you very much! >> >> Cheers, >> >> J. 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