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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: , org-mode-email , Timothy Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1642326473; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=VrBgRy/oSRQQyohnByxzKu28LwhPUkFkCJiHn+NLDyM=; b=K8xYDoyyqU4awgrMNCc6AyGRheayQU4UubMFm9CdxtI2bjqOvDCab2iiNM6v/bG3eRV7is EvAtBruqvO/OuADwrzDRI52Mz+f3H72Xioy6U0+t0t2jNZwAemPyPUqmknqLfxBeU3GA7q +o6pM2BBIQ8pMs6HPK4sj4Eqo5p6pz+Mt/3qfk2x2OV9kU6u8h8brT7ptJYEMKRumAr9MB cgHqYPV7mMf0dITnXeNivGfuCjxvkIK5WuuEARn9CkFOHCqaOn15YwmAIpqhHASsBJgcUD /Tjmu/cWih5V+Er2mAZ/TFd6euONjeG+xTtUE22/4qSHJGAcCJVArN0S9gWtIQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1642326473; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=S1B4GMvLIztkPhyjWo9+weDdqiC52efKgN9L79UAgbZGwa9bAN80td+evbvZR32sLb+RF4 LNwRlB0o6rpYqEAnkSBRd3YpkejFNgav9yju5xqVQzFFln4xvChRZjfoVyg/CFwIUbNQXx 9wupQ+9shwI+kWADs/nyF9fAhl7Uv8Z5507VLCZbvaGjQdu12bNvt/SlrF8J91nB7wl2Ea hm3/Ho/HPGspyF9UAHcOJ58dM46o9JbrcKP32vp0Q0tCLDKuQuBndey/C3pe7g5UXqoSYx SafKYZw6qmtgI5Xba5tUXO+1ETR+qiM+BD7LU++wCXsd/OfnLzSi9H7ohAjy5w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=XMw4DteM; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=yandex.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.02 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=XMw4DteM; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=yandex.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E8B34B839 X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 0s3CFMQo1Vwb >>>>> S=C3=A9bastien Miquel writes: > Hi, With respect to readability, I only mean to point out that the > $=E2=80=A6$ syntax is one less character, and that the \(\) character= s are > quite overloaded. Indeed. Compare something like $g=3D\lim_{\delta m\to 0}(\delta F/\delta m)$ with \(g=3D\lim_{\delta m\to 0}(\delta F/\delta m)\) Backslash city! I know which one I'd prefer to read. >> this is a good opportunity to point out that $/$$ are very much >> second class citizens in LaTeX now, no matter what you may see in >> old documents. > The posts that you quote are 10 years old. As per [0] (2020), > there will be no LaTeX3. Nor is it only old documents that use the > $=E2=80=A6$ syntax : looking for learning ressources (see [1]), every= thing > that I find uses it. That includes The Not So Short Introduction > to LaTeX [2] (2021) and > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics. Ah, LaTeX3 - whatever happened to that? > Although I have no evidence of this, my expectation is that the > majority of tex users use the $=E2=80=A6$ syntax (it is in fact widely > used outside of tex: in most markdown flavors and texmacs for > example). I also expect that a significant proportion of tex users > are not aware of the \(=E2=80=A6\) syntax. I think here of users that= are > less tech literate than most of this mailing list. Agreed. Best wishes,