From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id WCLjFbK+S1+DeAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:58:58 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id KDLQEbK+S18CFAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:58:58 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBF939400C3 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:39326 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOnI-0004S2-G1 for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:58:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52446) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOmy-0004Rb-Iw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:58:36 -0400 Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:56052 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOmw-0001oK-IJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:58:36 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOmr-0006wS-Bi for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:58:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: [feature request] A new cookie type [!] showing the last note taken Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: <87ft84faen.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87zh6eymxs.fsf@localhost> <87h7skldpt.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <875z90xvqk.fsf@localhost> <871rjo8kgr.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <873644xr6y.fsf@localhost> <87sgc470lk.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kJJG1xUGNuce99z4p6kRVQwlbdA= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/30 10:58:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=ericabrahamsen.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.09 X-TUID: 3uw1lwJWDBVc Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> I feel that my understand of "note" in context of org is different from >> yours. Is there a formal definition of "note" in org? > > As I stated in my first post a few hours ago: > > Notes are mostly free-form; there is no syntax describing them. > >> However, we can formalise the "last note taken" to "last note taken >> using org-add-note". > > This is more realistic, but you are then binding the tool > (`org-add-note') to the syntax ("[!]"), which is a step in the wrong > direction. We must not assume Org mode is the only tool writing Org > documents. > >> org-add-note is the only way I am aware about (except plain text, >> indeed). That's why I wrote the function saving the last note taken >> using org-add-note into SUMMARY. The property is only used here for >> convenient retrieval, not because I implied showing a property value. > > I understand the property was used for convenience, but showing its > value is the only problem your can really claim solving at the moment. > >> May I know what are the other ways to add note via interactive function >> in Org? > > Capture is certainly one way. In fact, `org-add-note' could (should ?) > be rewritten using Capture library. > > I wouldn't dismiss plain text insertion too easily, either. It also > includes external tools. What happens if an external tool automatically > insert notes? > > The feature you are requesting could make sense if notes had a clear > syntax. This would bring some interesting features, too (e.g., being > able to list all notes in an entry, accurately). But it would also raise > new problems, as any syntax change (backward compatibility with old > documents, external tools...). FWIW I'd be very happy to see a formalized note syntax. I make heavy use of arbitrary notes and state-change notes -- what needs to be done NEXT, how long has a todo been in WAIT state -- and would love to be able to build more tools on top of that.