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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=codeisgreat-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=dww0AsEj; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D3937940480 X-Spam-Score: -1.01 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: YydXV+NpZ/oC Bastien writes: > Be reassured, the fact that I shall soon step down has nothing to do > with the community: in fact, the community is what kept me motivated > for nearly ten years now! > > This decision is a simple combination of me not having enough time > (which can lead to frustrating situations for other contributors) and > the fact that I'm confident about Org's future. Yes. I am sure too. >> Yes. This is endless. We=E2=80=99ll continue this... > > ... but I'm very receptive to the real questions: how can we expose > the latest Org to more testers? how can we recruit more contributors? Org is a big beast now. I am also of the opinion that its parts must be maintained separately. Last few months when you are assigning things from ob-*, I was observing it and thinking - may be that is the way forward. > If at some point developing Org within Emacs seems to be part of a > good solution, I'll be all for it. I definitely prefer this scenario > to the one where Org is kicked out Emacs core and moved to a separate, > not-installed-by-default, GNU ELPA package. Not sure, how feasible is that (move to a separate non-installed-by-default). I am not thinking on these lines. I am hoping only for the best.