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Can't I just use the package manager to update Org > along with any other packages? Or does the issue about not visiting and > .org file before installing via the package manager apply to updates > too? > Even with updates, it is still important that no existing org functionality has been loaded to avoid potential inconsistencies due to mixed version installation. For updates within the same version (i.e. bug fix updates), the risk is low, but may still result in an inconsistent build.