* Time Stamps? @ 2010-05-03 15:23 David Frascone 2010-05-03 19:00 ` Bernt Hansen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: David Frascone @ 2010-05-03 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 863 bytes --] I've been using a lot of the great info at this site ( http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html) , and I have some questions: When using timestamps, I like the time in there too. And, I like to stamp every entry, so my status looks nice. But, I'm having a couple of problems: 1. Can I make all timestamps put the time? In other words, can I make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c ! 2. Where should I put the timestamp? Where do you guys think it looks best? Before the text? After? Still getting a feel for things. 3. Clocking. That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it. But, I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM. Almost always, I try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't started a clock yet. I'm considering taking out the timing stuff now . . . any pointers? Thanks in advance, -Dave [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 970 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Time Stamps? 2010-05-03 15:23 Time Stamps? David Frascone @ 2010-05-03 19:00 ` Bernt Hansen 2010-05-03 19:17 ` David Frascone 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2010-05-03 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Frascone; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi David, Answers are inline. David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes: > I've been using a lot of the great info at this site > (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html) , and I have some questions: > > When using timestamps, I like the time in there too. And, I like to > stamp every entry, so my status looks nice. But, I'm having a couple > of problems: > > 1. Can I make all timestamps put the time? In other words, can I > make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c ! > I use a key binding for this: f9-t which creates a timestamp like this at point. [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52] The binding for that is documented at http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21 > 2. Where should I put the timestamp? Where do you guys think it > looks best? Before the text? After? Still getting a feel for > things. Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me. My remember templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer * TODO blah :CLOCK:... [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59] [[link to stuff]] but anywhere will work - it's just text. > > 3. Clocking. That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it. But, > I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM. Almost always, I > try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't > started a clock yet. I'm considering taking out the timing stuff > now . . . any pointers? The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either f9-o or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on which one I start first). From there remember tasks interrupt the clock temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I manually clock out. HTH, Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Time Stamps? 2010-05-03 19:00 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2010-05-03 19:17 ` David Frascone 2010-05-03 19:35 ` Bernt Hansen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: David Frascone @ 2010-05-03 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bernt Hansen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4131 bytes --] On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> wrote: > Hi David, > > Answers are inline. > > David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes: > > > I've been using a lot of the great info at this site > > (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html) , and I have some questions: > > > > When using timestamps, I like the time in there too. And, I like to > > stamp every entry, so my status looks nice. But, I'm having a couple > > of problems: > > > > 1. Can I make all timestamps put the time? In other words, can I > > make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c ! > > > > I use a key binding for this: f9-t which creates a timestamp like this > at point. [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52] The binding for that is documented at > http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21 > Duh. Sorry. I thought there would be a way to do it with just a command, and, at first glance, didn't grok what you were doing with the func. Consider it stolen. I'm going to re-map something to it. I don't like using Function keys, because when I am using my macbook w/o a keyboard, I have to hit a Fn button to get those. But, I'll map it to something. I do like your f9 map, so, maybe I'll use M-9 or something like that. > > > 2. Where should I put the timestamp? Where do you guys think it > > looks best? Before the text? After? Still getting a feel for > > things. > > Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me. My remember > templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer > > * TODO blah > :CLOCK:... > [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59] > [[link to stuff]] > > but anywhere will work - it's just text. > Right. I understand where it gets put. But, now I want to add some notes. Where would you put it? (And, I know I'm just asking your opinion, because it is all just text -- I just really like your setup, so I'm using it as my starting point. So, for example, here's an entry I took today with a call, refiled it, then re-edited it. Names have been changed to protect the guilty some_company.org: ----- * Title for issue customer is having ** WAITING Phone %:name - %:Some Company - :PHONE:WAITING: - State "WAITING" from "" [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] \\ Waiting on data from Customer :CLOCK: :END: Got a call from Customer this am. He is having problems blah blah. Will call him back in 10-15 Contact Info: 800-555-5555 [2010-05-03 Mon] ** Talked to Customer again. [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] Conclusion: Probable Diagnosis here. Customer is going to reboot and send me more data. *** System Information **** Some System 1 Gb Data File 60 Threads Other System Data **** Performance 9-20 Mb/Sec **** Configuration Raid 0 over 4 drives 16 Gb RAM Blah Blah **** Symptoms computer hangs. windows Explorer hangs trying to look at filesystem. ----- So, this was the result of two calls, captured with remember-phone, then re-filed into the some_company.org file. I put the datestamps up top, but I'm not sure if I like them there. What do you think of that setup? > > > > > 3. Clocking. That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it. But, > > I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM. Almost always, I > > try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't > > started a clock yet. I'm considering taking out the timing stuff > > now . . . any pointers? > > The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either f9-o > or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on > which one I start first). From there remember tasks interrupt the clock > temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I > manually clock out. > > I will re-read the clocking portion . . I really like stamping EVERYTHING, so that I can generate weekly reports easily (This is where I wasted my time) I've also got to integrate, somehow, references to my livescribe pen (annotated conference call notes). And, it'll be nice to backdate conference calls so that even if I dont' log them, I can log them later. I know I can . . it's just coming up with an easy way to do it. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 5534 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Time Stamps? 2010-05-03 19:17 ` David Frascone @ 2010-05-03 19:35 ` Bernt Hansen 2010-05-11 11:47 ` Daniel Martins 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2010-05-03 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Frascone; +Cc: emacs-orgmode David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes: > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> wrote: > > David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes: > > > 1. Can I make all timestamps put the time? In other words, can I > > make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c ! > > > > I use a key binding for this: f9-t which creates a timestamp like this > at point. [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52] The binding for that is documented at > http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21 > > Duh. Sorry. I thought there would be a way to do it with just a > command, and, at first glance, didn't grok what you were doing with > the func. Consider it stolen. I'm going to re-map something to it. > I don't like using Function keys, because when I am using my macbook > w/o a keyboard, I have to hit a Fn button to get those. But, I'll map > it to something. I do like your f9 map, so, maybe I'll use M-9 or > something like that. Steal away :) I'm sure you can change the function to always put in the time if that's what you really want to do but there's no configuration to implement that currently AFAICT. > > 2. Where should I put the timestamp? Where do you guys think it > > looks best? Before the text? After? Still getting a feel for > > things. > > Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me. My remember > templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer > > * TODO blah > :CLOCK:... > [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59] > [[link to stuff]] > > but anywhere will work - it's just text. > > Right. I understand where it gets put. But, now I want to add some > notes. Where would you put it? (And, I know I'm just asking your > opinion, because it is all just text -- I just really like your setup, > so I'm using it as my starting point. I just put them at the top and leave them there. Any further detail is either inline in the body following it or as notes in a LOGBOOK drawer. > > So, for example, here's an entry I took today with a call, refiled it, > then re-edited it. Names have been changed to protect the guilty > > some_company.org: > ----- > * Title for issue customer is having > ** WAITING Phone %:name - %:Some Company - :PHONE:WAITING: > - State "WAITING" from "" [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] \\ > Waiting on data from Customer > :CLOCK: > :END: > Got a call from Customer this am. He is having problems blah blah. > Will call him back in 10-15 > Contact Info: 800-555-5555 > [2010-05-03 Mon] > ** Talked to Customer again. > [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] > Conclusion: Probable Diagnosis here. Customer is going to reboot and send > me more data. > *** System Information > **** Some System > 1 Gb Data File > 60 Threads > Other System Data > **** Performance > 9-20 Mb/Sec > **** Configuration > Raid 0 over 4 drives > 16 Gb RAM > Blah Blah > **** Symptoms > computer hangs. windows Explorer hangs trying to look at filesystem. > ----- > > So, this was the result of two calls, captured with remember-phone, > then re-filed into the some_company.org file. I put the datestamps up > top, but I'm not sure if I like them there. What do you think of that > setup? I use the datestamp to record when the remember task was created (ie when did I first hear about it). You can probably put it inside a drawer if you want to hide it -- I've never tried that. For me it's just an indication of how old the task is (ie. when the task was created) > > > > > 3. Clocking. That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it. But, > > I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM. Almost always, I > > try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't > > started a clock yet. I'm considering taking out the timing stuff > > now . . . any pointers? > > The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either f9-o > or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on > which one I start first). From there remember tasks interrupt the clock > temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I > manually clock out. > > I will re-read the clocking portion . . I really like stamping > EVERYTHING, so that I can generate weekly reports easily (This is > where I wasted my time) > > I've also got to integrate, somehow, references to my livescribe pen > (annotated conference call notes). And, it'll be nice to backdate > conference calls so that even if I dont' log them, I can log them > later. I know I can . . it's just coming up with an easy way to do > it. I use clocking data to report or track 'what I worked on and when'. My clock data is also my timestamp for what I did and I view the results in log mode in the agenda (C-c a l) and in clock reports for reporting to the boss. I clock stuff in all the time and for short periods... things that take less than a minute to do end up creating empty clock drawers which isn't all that nice to deal with. I have a hook that removes those now on clock-out but I haven't had time to update my org-mode document yet with the details. Hopefully I'll get to that soon. In case you want it the short version is here: ,---- | (defun bh/remove-empty-drawer-on-clock-out () | (interactive) | (save-excursion | (beginning-of-line 0) | (org-remove-empty-drawer-at "CLOCK" (point)))) | | (add-hook 'org-clock-out-hook 'bh/remove-empty-drawer-on-clock-out 'append) | `---- Regards, Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Time Stamps? 2010-05-03 19:35 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2010-05-11 11:47 ` Daniel Martins 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Daniel Martins @ 2010-05-11 11:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bernt Hansen; +Cc: David Frascone, emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 6205 bytes --] Bernt, Thanks for the lessons (I am still studying it!!) One more "thief" for your list. Daniel 2010/5/3 Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> > David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes: > > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> wrote: > > > > David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes: > > > > > 1. Can I make all timestamps put the time? In other words, can I > > > make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c ! > > > > > > > I use a key binding for this: f9-t which creates a timestamp like > this > > at point. [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52] The binding for that is documented > at > > http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21 > > > > Duh. Sorry. I thought there would be a way to do it with just a > > command, and, at first glance, didn't grok what you were doing with > > the func. Consider it stolen. I'm going to re-map something to it. > > I don't like using Function keys, because when I am using my macbook > > w/o a keyboard, I have to hit a Fn button to get those. But, I'll map > > it to something. I do like your f9 map, so, maybe I'll use M-9 or > > something like that. > > Steal away :) I'm sure you can change the function to always put in the > time if that's what you really want to do but there's no configuration > to implement that currently AFAICT. > > > > 2. Where should I put the timestamp? Where do you guys think it > > > looks best? Before the text? After? Still getting a feel for > > > things. > > > > Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me. My remember > > templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer > > > > * TODO blah > > :CLOCK:... > > [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59] > > [[link to stuff]] > > > > but anywhere will work - it's just text. > > > > Right. I understand where it gets put. But, now I want to add some > > notes. Where would you put it? (And, I know I'm just asking your > > opinion, because it is all just text -- I just really like your setup, > > so I'm using it as my starting point. > > I just put them at the top and leave them there. Any further detail is > either inline in the body following it or as notes in a LOGBOOK drawer. > > > > So, for example, here's an entry I took today with a call, refiled it, > > then re-edited it. Names have been changed to protect the guilty > > > > some_company.org: > > ----- > > * Title for issue customer is having > > ** WAITING Phone %:name - %:Some Company - > :PHONE:WAITING: > > - State "WAITING" from "" [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] \\ > > Waiting on data from Customer > > :CLOCK: > > :END: > > Got a call from Customer this am. He is having problems blah blah. > > Will call him back in 10-15 > > Contact Info: 800-555-5555 > > [2010-05-03 Mon] > > ** Talked to Customer again. > > [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] > > Conclusion: Probable Diagnosis here. Customer is going to reboot and > send > > me more data. > > *** System Information > > **** Some System > > 1 Gb Data File > > 60 Threads > > Other System Data > > **** Performance > > 9-20 Mb/Sec > > **** Configuration > > Raid 0 over 4 drives > > 16 Gb RAM > > Blah Blah > > **** Symptoms > > computer hangs. windows Explorer hangs trying to look at > filesystem. > > ----- > > > > So, this was the result of two calls, captured with remember-phone, > > then re-filed into the some_company.org file. I put the datestamps up > > top, but I'm not sure if I like them there. What do you think of that > > setup? > > I use the datestamp to record when the remember task was created (ie > when did I first hear about it). You can probably put it inside a > drawer if you want to hide it -- I've never tried that. For me it's > just an indication of how old the task is (ie. when the task was > created) > > > > > > > > > 3. Clocking. That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it. > But, > > > I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM. Almost always, I > > > try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't > > > started a clock yet. I'm considering taking out the timing > stuff > > > now . . . any pointers? > > > > The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either > f9-o > > or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on > > which one I start first). From there remember tasks interrupt the > clock > > temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I > > manually clock out. > > > > I will re-read the clocking portion . . I really like stamping > > EVERYTHING, so that I can generate weekly reports easily (This is > > where I wasted my time) > > > > I've also got to integrate, somehow, references to my livescribe pen > > (annotated conference call notes). And, it'll be nice to backdate > > conference calls so that even if I dont' log them, I can log them > > later. I know I can . . it's just coming up with an easy way to do > > it. > > I use clocking data to report or track 'what I worked on and when'. > My clock data is also my timestamp for what I did and I view the results > in log mode in the agenda (C-c a l) and in clock reports for reporting > to the boss. > > I clock stuff in all the time and for short periods... things that take > less than a minute to do end up creating empty clock drawers which isn't > all that nice to deal with. I have a hook that removes those now on > clock-out but I haven't had time to update my org-mode document yet with > the details. Hopefully I'll get to that soon. > > In case you want it the short version is here: > > ,---- > | (defun bh/remove-empty-drawer-on-clock-out () > | (interactive) > | (save-excursion > | (beginning-of-line 0) > | (org-remove-empty-drawer-at "CLOCK" (point)))) > | > | (add-hook 'org-clock-out-hook 'bh/remove-empty-drawer-on-clock-out > 'append) > | > `---- > > Regards, > Bernt > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 8106 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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