From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rasmus Subject: Re: Allowing loose ordering in Org files Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 20:28:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87egfzt1jt.fsf@gmx.us> References: <871tc83p01.fsf@flynn.nichework.com> <84611j19hk.fsf@gmail.com> <5638C2A1.2090801@iancu.ch> <87h9l32gfc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87d1vq3mh4.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <874mh23iw0.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <878u6eu5wg.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <315DDEDC-1BD9-4680-A8C8-B36821EB931C@gmail.com> <874mh2u2w0.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87ziytyl3z.fsf@free.fr> <87wptrt68z.fsf@gmx.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44017) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zvs7S-0001dH-LM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 14:28:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zvs7N-0001cK-KQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 14:28:46 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:58323) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zvs7N-0001a1-CW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 14:28:41 -0500 Received: from W530 ([109.201.154.144]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LnlmV-1adRsG222h-00hsNO for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 20:28:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Mon, 09 Nov 2015 10:15:03 -0800") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi John, John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> Rasmus writes: > >>> To those who repeat the performance argument: This is an opt-in only >>> request. It is not about changing the performance of default Org, or ma= king >>> files more difficult to parse outside of Emacs for everyone. > >> I disagree with your last claim. > > I'm not sure I understand, can you clarify? What I meant is that I don't = want > to get in the way of the maintainer's vision for "default Org". Note that I=E2=80=99m *not* the maintainer and speak with no authority on t= he issue! Some alternative Org interpreter must be able to find the properties drawer since it needs to support, e.g. linking to headlines, * f_0=20 :PROPERTIES: :CUSTOM_ID: f0 :END: * f_1 See also [[#f0]] If the placement of properties is "free", the secondary interpreter /must/ support this customization option to be able to interpret the org format. Note, this matters for both interactive usage (being able to click/open a reference) and for "export" (e.g. org-ruby). > I would just like some customization options, to keep using Org as I'm > used to it. I sympathize, and I don=E2=80=99t know what is the correct behavior here. = I do think that allowing this is obviously the right thing=E1=B5=80=E1=B4=B9, bu= t it might still be the lesser of two evils. I don=E2=80=99t fell qualified to form o= pinions on this. Rasmus --=20 Vote for Dick Taid in an election near you!