From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id KKjaE4D5RGClPAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 07 Mar 2021 16:04:16 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id MLeVD4D5RGBuKwAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 07 Mar 2021 16:04:16 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B998A130EC for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 17:04:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:43726 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lIvt8-00033u-G3 for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2021 11:04:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lIvsj-00033A-Ap for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2021 11:03:49 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:37499) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lIvsg-00076N-Hg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2021 11:03:49 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 399702400FC for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 17:03:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1615133024; bh=Aw9FedovYOHxAD5Okb/yxXmzL3NVZ3Hhs8pnqd+w364=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=qHNJXMQ6Ry3AYeioP7BN38Q79F/qtrAOHmNnCSZTpKFh1f5+ABVbfOQPwqfxdwhyn jf2FB5TcO0i+pIE1HUr8zhUPWSYMYDPdjjGuWcIQnC7I0yk1SNvaigtKMw/MrO3n3s hXrgpt1qaodme5+VphMBfni2DDXeLdaGYA9cgB40zi3+AEqQxWlOIKKhi+6V5b9a65 NmVFZIjM4rI0O7Fj7YO2G+u2ZgS/PCjb5azoPdTfcOfstfU+R5QmFvon3nHXYQRbd3 /MJgpC40UwcsxGPD8Ty0g2ql4VJAWt3QCJFI9YHF/mMgW6ifAWqqcNsEeT48x+neeu 4z8x5mDFz/wVQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4DtmVR3VY3z9rxR; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 17:03:43 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Diego Zamboni Subject: Re: Org as a book publisher References: <87r1ksxehv.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 17:03:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Diego Zamboni's message of "Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:08:20 +0100") Message-ID: <87eegrq7c1.fsf@posteo.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1615133055; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Z7NrbhT/NwOcIOYdNjpf6LSlOjdrEKNBVTqWPn7ib1Q=; b=t0zABsLW1/+yRO/P6nex8qX0T5rhWxcX46P5oUylFqR/LaBT/sU6GXXyv//t6COsO2SJbE nDG6n1Ue1d234TvpIeEz+IFcIyiNARZcHVsF8dRFjupXJdyKPVOZTywB6zkFN6clNomYs6 Avjxn0qRDpqF67MxUktPDUF9VJYfgrzDrGWDsyNTy8DqDwRmJWe6Rf6CkqHY2D9AQag5r/ TtqHRSl4pRkKlr9MIYs5KTa+doHzu8l+5DvT+wcYVSL7yYB2vpX+Zsft0L68reSUMkRoTw pr+1zr3zsUHvzMljEtcuv8BY0zwchjjUmGYKt9zH5NFfZq3SjuZ7nPQPKtrG/g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1615133055; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=AIeS/IBnY6VxBkd4tbbne28fjltfP07KBOe1wgyduJEYJZ77Ad5Ged893u39GUE2m/Z9cx KfCYN4yKMYKIZqqEErwzDbxcPZZJy1wL3+XfN1xom11abl5cAzQhzWeJGFyPcJOnBoolh/ JqjbDRVS5Bd/EHIfP+bnd6zGYNxCHTAdmw56nBWJs0wKAwIT5C3/uBZPTDXJ2GVzAIszCd gS4OCXQE4vTzCGC9gTV9KEvQv0zlOg5eH8c8XG8X5R4olrSPQzaYk3m6RIFf84zDCtesgA 8DWNZ4v9TzaimLnH8fv2pEx3urDdRaHjsvh0V90hKN56IKg75+2Le8nlyy/gDg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=qHNJXMQ6; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.07 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=qHNJXMQ6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B998A130EC X-Spam-Score: -3.07 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Uwynksxl4CGI Hi Diego, Thank you very much for your comments. Diego Zamboni writes: > I think with Org and a setup like you describe, we are one step closer > to separating content (what) from form (how) in a document. This was > one of the original goals of LaTeX, but of course in a LaTeX document > much of the "how" is still visible through the "what". With Org the > separation becomes clearer, by hiding the LaTeX structures (almost) > completely, and by allowing to produce multiple formats from the same > source document. I Totally agree. Leslie Lamport originally created LaTeX (as far as I know) as a simplified way of handling TeX for his own documents, since the other format of TeX, plainTeX, was quite spartan. Then LaTeX has grown incredibly thanks to its extensibility qualities: a small kernel (unlike ConTeXt, which is more monolithic) and a ecosystem of macro packages. If we make an analogy with the old days of mechanical printing, I always say that TeX is the typographer, the one who gets his hands dirty with ink, while LaTeX wears a tie and is in the editorial design department. TeX works on the merely physical plane, and he is only interested in how each element on the page is positioned in relation to other elements. Here the minimum indivisible element would be the letter, which to TeX's eyes is a box with certain dimensions. LaTeX lives more on a semantic plane: for LaTeX there is no lines or letters or paragraphs, but rather headings, heading levels, lists, quotes, verses, chapters, tables, equations, tables of contents... But, as you say, in LaTeX you can still see too many gears. With Org we can work on a lighter and cleaner document. And with a single source for multiple formats! Before moving to Org, I applied this `philosophy' to the markdown/pandoc tandem. But since I migrated to Emacs/Org a few years ago, it's almost like having superpowers :-D Best regards, Juan Manuel