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[106.69.117.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v10sm1422660pgi.6.2021.04.21.03.00.05 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 21 Apr 2021 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <87pmyuyssi.fsf@gmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.5.11; emacs 28.0.50 From: Tim Cross To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Concerns about community contributor support Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:50:59 +1000 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87eef4hs9o.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::534; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x534.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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As now original poster explained the problem, but I did not > see response from none of pushers, I mean those who have repository > access. > > So how many people are there who have repository access? > > Who is not busy but willing to apply at least 1-5 patches pending? > I'm not sure I agree with this analysis. As Timothy mentioned a few times, the issue is NOT about the time taken to apply patches. It is about a lack of feedback regarding the state of the patches. Increasing the number of people with the ability to apply patches/changes to the repository is unlikely to be helpful. It could in fact have the reverse result, leading to increased inconsistency and reduced stability. I find bug fixes are applied very quickly. Enhancements and extensions are introduced more conservatively, but I think that is a positive rather than negative aspect of org development. For many users, org is already very feature rich/complete. -- Tim Cross