* org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables [not found] <1984742079.3751611.1651538242680.ref@mail.yahoo.com> @ 2022-05-03 0:37 ` Max Fujimoto 2022-05-03 21:29 ` Jeremie Juste 2022-05-04 10:37 ` Ihor Radchenko 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Max Fujimoto @ 2022-05-03 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 616 bytes --] Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.17.6) The variable org-startup-folded does not work expected in .dir-locals.el.The option "#+startup: fold" works as expected. To replicate - start emacs -q - create a test dir - create or copy an .org file with a few headers, sub headers and some content in(to) the test dir. - add "((org-mode . ((org-startup-folded . t))))" to "./.dir-locals.el" - open the org file - check M-x describe-variable to confirm variable org-startup-folded is set to t and not default value thanks [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1571 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-03 0:37 ` org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables Max Fujimoto @ 2022-05-03 21:29 ` Jeremie Juste 2022-05-04 10:37 ` Ihor Radchenko 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Jeremie Juste @ 2022-05-03 21:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Max Fujimoto; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello Max, On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 00:37, Max Fujimoto wrote: > Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo > version 1.17.6) I must apologise for, I haven't made the jump to emacs 28 yet: GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.24) of 2022-01-16. I'm on the following version of Org mode version 9.5.3 (release_9.5.3-467-g2bd34e @ /home/djj/src/org-mode/lisp/) and I don't know where is .dir-locals.el. but, with the following unfoled file /tmp/test.org * Some Heading Title [0/2] ** TODO Some Todo Item ** TODO heading 3 the following command $ emacs -Q -L ./lisp -l org --eval "(setq org-startup-folded t)" /tmp/test.org Produces your desired results * Some Heading Title [0/2] ... HTH, Jeremie ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-03 0:37 ` org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables Max Fujimoto 2022-05-03 21:29 ` Jeremie Juste @ 2022-05-04 10:37 ` Ihor Radchenko 2022-05-04 13:17 ` Robert Pluim 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-05-04 10:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Max Fujimoto; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Max Fujimoto <max.fujimoto@rogers.com> writes: > Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.17.6) > > The variable org-startup-folded does not work expected in .dir-locals.el.The option "#+startup: fold" works as expected. This is because Emacs loads directory-local variables _after_ Org mode is loaded. That is, you set org-startup-folded after startup is complete. I recommend reporting this to Emacs bug tracker. Best, Ihor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-04 10:37 ` Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-05-04 13:17 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 13:46 ` Ihor Radchenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: Max Fujimoto, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:37:47 +0800, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> said: Ihor> Max Fujimoto <max.fujimoto@rogers.com> writes: >> Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.17.6) >> >> The variable org-startup-folded does not work expected in >> .dir-locals.el.The option "#+startup: fold" works as expected. Ihor> This is because Emacs loads directory-local variables _after_ Org mode Ihor> is loaded. That is, you set org-startup-folded after startup is Ihor> complete. Ihor> I recommend reporting this to Emacs bug tracker. I donʼt think this is a bug: directory-local variables are supposed to behave the same as file-local variables, and setting org-startup-folded in a local variable section also doesnʼt get applied. Robert -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-04 13:17 ` Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 13:46 ` Ihor Radchenko 2022-05-04 14:16 ` Robert Pluim 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-05-04 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: Max Fujimoto, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes: > Ihor> I recommend reporting this to Emacs bug tracker. > > I donʼt think this is a bug: directory-local variables are supposed to > behave the same as file-local variables, and setting > org-startup-folded in a local variable section also doesnʼt get > applied. This is no different. org-startup-folded controls loading of Org mode. However, Emacs applies directory-local variables and file-local variables _after_ loading Org mode. Org cannot do much about it without hacking Emacs defaults. Best, Ihor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-04 13:46 ` Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-05-04 14:16 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 14:46 ` Ihor Radchenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: Max Fujimoto, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 21:46:14 +0800, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> said: Ihor> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes: Ihor> I recommend reporting this to Emacs bug tracker. >> >> I donʼt think this is a bug: directory-local variables are supposed to >> behave the same as file-local variables, and setting >> org-startup-folded in a local variable section also doesnʼt get >> applied. Ihor> This is no different. org-startup-folded controls loading of Org mode. Ihor> However, Emacs applies directory-local variables and file-local Ihor> variables _after_ loading Org mode. Org cannot do much about it without Ihor> hacking Emacs defaults. Weʼre in agreement there. My point is that itʼs not a bug (although I guess you could ask for a feature to apply local/directory variables before applying the mode, but in this case thereʼs an easy workaround). Robert -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-04 14:16 ` Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 14:46 ` Ihor Radchenko 2022-05-04 15:04 ` Robert Pluim 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-05-04 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: Max Fujimoto, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes: > Ihor> This is no different. org-startup-folded controls loading of Org mode. > Ihor> However, Emacs applies directory-local variables and file-local > Ihor> variables _after_ loading Org mode. Org cannot do much about it without > Ihor> hacking Emacs defaults. > > Weʼre in agreement there. My point is that itʼs not a bug (although I > guess you could ask for a feature to apply local/directory variables > before applying the mode It's not exactly a bug, but feature request to Emacs is exactly what I was implying. > , but in this case thereʼs an easy > workaround). I am not sure which workaround you are referring to. Setting org-startup-folded globally? On per-file basis? the former is global and will apply to broader scope than a directory-local variable. The latter only works in a single file (and works instead of file-local variable). Best, Ihor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-04 14:46 ` Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-05-04 15:04 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 23:31 ` Max Fujimoto 2022-05-05 3:21 ` Ihor Radchenko 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: Max Fujimoto, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 22:46:56 +0800, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> said: Ihor> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes: Ihor> This is no different. org-startup-folded controls loading of Org mode. Ihor> However, Emacs applies directory-local variables and file-local Ihor> variables _after_ loading Org mode. Org cannot do much about it without Ihor> hacking Emacs defaults. >> >> Weʼre in agreement there. My point is that itʼs not a bug (although I >> guess you could ask for a feature to apply local/directory variables >> before applying the mode Ihor> It's not exactly a bug, but feature request to Emacs is exactly what I Ihor> was implying. Right. My predictatron says itʼs unlikely to be greeted enthusiastically. >> , but in this case thereʼs an easy >> workaround). Ihor> I am not sure which workaround you are referring to. Ihor> Setting org-startup-folded globally? On per-file basis? the former is Ihor> global and will apply to broader scope than a directory-local variable. Ihor> The latter only works in a single file (and works instead of file-local Ihor> variable). I was talking about #+STARTUP: (Iʼm assuming #+SETUPFILE: also works, but I haven't tried it). Robert -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-04 15:04 ` Robert Pluim @ 2022-05-04 23:31 ` Max Fujimoto 2022-05-05 3:21 ` Ihor Radchenko 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Max Fujimoto @ 2022-05-04 23:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ihor Radchenko, Robert Pluim; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1606 bytes --] Thanks for the info, I will look into reporting the issue with the emacs bug-tracker and for now use the per file "STARTUP:" option. thanks again On Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 11:04:42 a.m. EDT, Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 22:46:56 +0800, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> said: Ihor> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes: Ihor> This is no different. org-startup-folded controls loading of Org mode. Ihor> However, Emacs applies directory-local variables and file-local Ihor> variables _after_ loading Org mode. Org cannot do much about it without Ihor> hacking Emacs defaults. >> >> Weʼre in agreement there. My point is that itʼs not a bug (although I >> guess you could ask for a feature to apply local/directory variables >> before applying the mode Ihor> It's not exactly a bug, but feature request to Emacs is exactly what I Ihor> was implying. Right. My predictatron says itʼs unlikely to be greeted enthusiastically. >> , but in this case thereʼs an easy >> workaround). Ihor> I am not sure which workaround you are referring to. Ihor> Setting org-startup-folded globally? On per-file basis? the former is Ihor> global and will apply to broader scope than a directory-local variable. Ihor> The latter only works in a single file (and works instead of file-local Ihor> variable). I was talking about #+STARTUP: (Iʼm assuming #+SETUPFILE: also works, but I haven't tried it). Robert -- [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3387 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: org-startup-folded does not work with directory local variables 2022-05-04 15:04 ` Robert Pluim 2022-05-04 23:31 ` Max Fujimoto @ 2022-05-05 3:21 ` Ihor Radchenko 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-05-05 3:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: Max Fujimoto, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes: > I was talking about #+STARTUP: (Iʼm assuming #+SETUPFILE: also works, > but I haven't tried it). FYI. #+SETUPFILE also does work. Best, Ihor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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