From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Tassilo Horn Subject: Re: Org-mode and taskpaper Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:03:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87d4pa3q1g.fsf@member.fsf.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgcPM-0007bv-GB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:03:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgcPJ-0007ZI-Ng for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:03:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgcPJ-0007Z1-Eh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:03:53 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgcPI-0000Pv-QW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:03:53 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JgcPC-0005fw-Dq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:03:47 +0000 Received: from dslb-084-063-026-224.pools.arcor-ip.net ([84.63.26.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:03:46 +0000 Received: from tassilo by dslb-084-063-026-224.pools.arcor-ip.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:03:46 +0000 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Carsten Dominik writes: Hi Carsten, > I hope that you can all agree with my conclusion. If not, than I am > confident that with time you will realize just how important today's > decision was. I do agree with you. I only use a tiny subset of org's features: Outlining, TODOs, Dates, some hyperlinks, the remember integration for quick notes and tables. In fact, I converted all the few spreadsheet tables I use to org-mode, because it offered everything I need and emacs is always open. So at least for me loosing the table editor would be sad. I would suggest another refactoring: - Make a subset of org the core which includes everything anybody uses, e.g. the outlining, TODOs, dates, links... - Everything else comes as plugin a user has to explicitly require in his ~/.emacs. - Use different keys for the plugins. For example each plugin could have a customizable prefix for all its commands. I think much of org's complexity comes from the fact, that you tried to use only very few key bindings to DTRT. A bit exaggerated one could say org is fully controllable with C-c C-c. Bye, Tassilo