Questions about creating new nodes (headings)

Questions about creating new nodes (headings)

[David Frascone]

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Here are two questions (or maybe one question, and a bug report) from my
note taking while reading the manual.

***** Best way to make next menu item?  M-Enter seems to work pretty well.
I'm not to happy with the way org-mode adds a blank line after a block
of text when doing C-S-RET from the entry line, and M-RET from the
block of text.  Do most of you have a blank line after your text
blocks, but before the next entry?  And, I just noticed that it
doesn't ALWAYS add the blank line . . . tres strange.  The blank lines seem
to have some correlation with having other blank lines after higher nodes.
It is VERY strange behavior . . so far, unpredictable to me :)

***** C-<RET> does not seem to do what the info page suggests.
It seems to go into a column selection mode.  Which, by itself, is
very useful, and I'll have to remember that.   I can't seem to find
the C-<RET> behavior anywhere (jump over the body, and add a new
heading at the same level. C-S-<RET> Does do what it is supposed to,
so, I guess a good workaround is C-S-<RET>, then backspace over the TODO.

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Re: Questions about creating new nodes (headings)

[Nathan Neff]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM, David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> wrote:
> Here are two questions (or maybe one question, and a bug report) from my
> note taking while reading the manual.
>
> ***** Best way to make next menu item?  M-Enter seems to work pretty well.
> I'm not to happy with the way org-mode adds a blank line after a block
> of text when doing C-S-RET from the entry line, and M-RET from the
> block of text.  Do most of you have a blank line after your text
> blocks, but before the next entry?

I think you want to customize the org-blank-before-new-entry variable.

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php#blank-line-after-headlines-and-list-items

<snip>

 ***** C-<RET> does not seem to do what the info page suggests.
> It seems to go into a column selection mode.  Which, by itself, is
> very useful, and I'll have to remember that.   I can't seem to find
> the C-<RET> behavior anywhere (jump over the body, and add a new
> heading at the same level. C-S-<RET> Does do what it is supposed to,
> so, I guess a good workaround is C-S-<RET>, then backspace over the TODO.

I think this is an Aquamacs thing -- Aquamacs overrides the C-Ret binding with
some cua-set-rectangle-mark function that I know nothing about.

What I have found is that C-Ret runs "org-insert-heading-respect-content",
(except on Aquamacs).

Anyway, M-Ret will do the *same thing* (to the best of my knowledge)
/if/ you have this setting:

(setq org-insert-heading-respect-content t)

And I think that most people that use org-mode do indeed set
org-insert-heading-respect-content.

So, I don't bother w/C-Ret, and just use M-Ret all the time, after
setting the above variable to 't
HTH,

--Nate

Re: Questions about creating new nodes (headings)

[David Frascone]

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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Nathan Neff <nathan.neff@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I think you want to customize the org-blank-before-new-entry variable.
>
>
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php#blank-line-after-headlines-and-list-items
>

Nice!  That almost fixed it.  But, I think the documentation is a bit
wrong.  Try this:

* Item One
* Item Two
* Item Three

* Item Four
* Item Five

Try to hit M-<RET> at the end of Item Three.  Even though there are no
blanks before Three, it will still add the blank.  It looks forward as well
as backward.
M-<RET> after Item Four will also add the blank.  It's not a big deal, just
a slight documentation issue.  Now that I know how it behaves, I can make it
do what I want easily :)



>
> I think this is an Aquamacs thing -- Aquamacs overrides the C-Ret binding
> with
> some cua-set-rectangle-mark function that I know nothing about.
>
> What I have found is that C-Ret runs "org-insert-heading-respect-content",
> (except on Aquamacs).
>
> Anyway, M-Ret will do the *same thing* (to the best of my knowledge)
> /if/ you have this setting:
>
> (setq org-insert-heading-respect-content t)
>
> And I think that most people that use org-mode do indeed set
> org-insert-heading-respect-content.
>
> So, I don't bother w/C-Ret, and just use M-Ret all the time, after
> setting the above variable to 't
> HTH,
>
>
Perfect!  Fixed and fixed!

We can consider this thread closed!

-Dave

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Re: Questions about creating new nodes (headings)

[Matt Lundin]

David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:

> Here are two questions (or maybe one question, and a bug report) from
> my note taking while reading the manual.
>
> ***** Best way to make next menu item?  M-Enter seems to work pretty
> well.
> I'm not to happy with the way org-mode adds a blank line after a block
> of text when doing C-S-RET from the entry line, and M-RET from the
> block of text.  Do most of you have a blank line after your text
> blocks, but before the next entry?  And, I just noticed that it
> doesn't ALWAYS add the blank line . . . tres strange.  The blank lines
> seem
> to have some correlation with having other blank lines after higher
> nodes.
> It is VERY strange behavior . . so far, unpredictable to me :)

See the docstring for org-blank-before-new-entry:
  - i.e.,  "C-h v org-blank-before-new-entry"

If you never want a blank line, the simplest setting is:
(setq org-blank-before-new-entry nil)

> ***** C-<RET> does not seem to do what the info page suggests.
> It seems to go into a column selection mode.  Which, by itself, is
> very useful, and I'll have to remember that.   I can't seem to find
> the C-<RET> behavior anywhere (jump over the body, and add a new
> heading at the same level. C-S-<RET> Does do what it is supposed to,
> so, I guess a good workaround is C-S-<RET>, then backspace over the
> TODO.

I cannot reproduce this behavior. C-RET correctly creates a new headline
beneath the current entry.

Best,
Matt

Re: Questions about creating new nodes (headings)

[Bernt Hansen]

Hi David,

Comments are inline below.

David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:

> Here are two questions (or maybe one question, and a bug report) from
> my note taking while reading the manual.
>
> ***** Best way to make next menu item?  M-Enter seems to work pretty well.
> I'm not to happy with the way org-mode adds a blank line after a block
> of text when doing C-S-RET from the entry line, and M-RET from the
> block of text.  Do most of you have a blank line after your text
> blocks, but before the next entry?  And, I just noticed that it
> doesn't ALWAYS add the blank line . . . tres strange.  The blank lines seem
> to have some correlation with having other blank lines after higher nodes.
> It is VERY strange behavior . . so far, unpredictable to me :)

Blank lines?  What blank lines?  Customize org-blank-before-new-entry.
I have the following setting:

,----
| org-blank-before-new-entry is a variable defined in `org.el'.
| Its value is 
| ((heading)
|  (plain-list-item))
| 
`----


If you are in the body whatever blank lines you created will stay

,----[ before M-RET ]
| * TODO foo
|   <point here>
`----

hitting M-RET gives me this

,----
| * TODO foo
|   
| * 
`----

Now you had a blank line after * TODO foo so it's the body of that item
and M-RET should preserve that.

I have org-insert-heading-respect-content set to t

I normally create headlines from the task itself so I don't press RET
on * TODO foo if I only want to make a new headline following it.  Just
* TODO foo M-RET to get

,----
| * TODO foo
| * 
`----

I get no extra blank lines with point on the heading and using C-S-RET.

>
> ***** C-<RET> does not seem to do what the info page suggests.
> It seems to go into a column selection mode.  Which, by itself, is
> very useful, and I'll have to remember that.   I can't seem to find
> the C-<RET> behavior anywhere (jump over the body, and add a new
> heading at the same level. C-S-<RET> Does do what it is supposed to,
> so, I guess a good workaround is C-S-<RET>, then backspace over the TODO.

,----
| ** TODO foo
|    
| ** TODO foo
|   foo bar baz<point here>
|   a b c
| ** More stuff 
| * rest of stuff 
`----

with point at <point here> and C-RET I get this:

,----
| ** TODO foo
|    
| ** TODO foo
|   foo bar baz
|   a b c
| ** <point here>
| ** More stuff 
| * rest of stuff 
`----

What version are you running and on what platform?

Regards,
Bernt