Re: Re: Sending org buffer as mail?

["Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com>]

Niels Giesen <niels.giesen@gmail.com> writes:

> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Niels Giesen <niels.giesen@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, I've just pushed up a new version of org-mime which makes use of
>>>> this function.
>>>
>
> Hi Eric, thanks for implementing this.
>
> However, I see a problem in the solution for when html-ascii is
> specified as the MAIL_FMT, being that the same hook will be run for both
> parts of the message. I think it better not to have a html-ascii hook
> and run the html hook for the html part and the ascii hook for the ascii
> part. Otherwise the ascii hook may for instance delete a =BEGIN_SRC=
> line and insert cut lines not needed by html.
>
> Same goes for html (which is in fact html-org). Although I cannot really
> think of any hooks I might want to run there.
>

Thanks for pointing this out.  I've just pushed up a fix which
implements a single hook for each format, and (as you suggested) runs
each hook over only the related mime part of the message.

>
> I'll take a look at the link you gave for "Org-mode block fontification"
> in gnus, although that seems like a solution for the receiving side, and
> most of my peers do not run gnus and org, or emacs for that matter, but
> many do want to receive mail in plain text.
>

I like the 'html option for situations like this, as a fontified html
version of the email is sent for normal users, however an org format
exports is supplied as a mime alternative, so users who have instructed
their email clients to prefer plain text will be presented with the
plain text org syntax.  In my wildest of dreams the org-mode begin_src
syntax could be adopted as a plain-text standard for setting off source
code, so that email clients other than gnus could begin providing for
their own fontification of such blocks.

>
> On the subject of encouraging so-called code blocks brought to our
> attention by Samuel, encouraging this was not my intention, I should
> have thought better before posting and I will never in my life post such
> immoral examples anymore.
>

Your consideration is much appreciated. :)

>
> Regards,
>
> Niels
>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> I love the org-mime-subtree function! It makes writing good-looking
>>> mails very easy.
>>>
>>> Now for a proposal:
>>>
>>> For ascii export used for mail, it would be cool if SRC and EXAMPLE
>>> blocks be surrounded by "cut here" scissor lines. They look well in gnus
>>> for example:
>>>
>>
>> For even better looking code in gnus, I personally prefer to use org as
>> my export target (rather than ascii), and with "Org-mode code block
>> fontification" configuration from
>> http://eschulte.github.com/emacs-starter-kit/starter-kit-gnus.html
>> code blocks inside org-mode markup will be correctly fontified in gnus
>> messages.
>>
>>>
>>> code or example here
>>>
>>> Maybe the best way to achieve this is to define a hook before the string
>>> is sent to `org-export-string' with the FMT arg set to 'ascii, so that
>>> people can define their own functions. For instance, there are also
>>> people who prefer a block like
>>>
>>
>> good idea, I've just added a series of hooks to org-mime which will be
>> called in a temporary buffer holding the text to be exported, so you
>> could add a function here to add scissor lines around code blocks.  Like
>> Sam I would discourage the use of boxquotes for anything that users may
>> want to cut and paste.  For ascii use the `org-mime-pre-ascii-hook'.
>>
>> If you come up with useful hooks it may be nice to share them on worg at
>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-mime.php
>>
>>>
>>> ,----[ emacs-lisp ]
>>> | source here
>>> `----
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Niels.
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion -- Eric
>>
>>