From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) Subject: Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:41:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87d2uaqxhd.fsf@krugs.de> References: <87vc82r6fc.fsf@krugs.de> <87k3oir2a3.fsf@krugs.de> <86r4iqbjod.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44989) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNjU6-0005sG-DN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:41:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNjU3-00034M-Ej for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:41:42 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]:42810) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNjU3-000346-8A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:41:39 -0400 Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hr17so4647702wib.11 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 05:41:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86r4iqbjod.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Fran=C3=A7ois?= Pinard"'s message of "Thu, 04 Apr 2013 07:48:50 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois?= Pinard Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Fran=C3=A7ois Pinard writes: > Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) writes: > >> Sanity - never heard of it. I am giving gnus a few weeks and then I wil >> see - I think I am getting used to it (*not* understanding it!) > > Hi Rainer! > > I surely tried many mail user agents (MUAs) in my life and, sad to say > :-), Gnus is undoubtedly the most featured and flexible, while being the > one which best respects various standards in the field. > > If I write "sad to say", this is because Gnus coupled me more intimately > with Emacs, while I tried hard to run away of it, to recover some sanity. > To no avail: after many years of abstinence, and with reluctance and > dismay, Org got me back in it. Org is so good that I could not resist. I used org more or less exclusively for literate programming in R, and I never really got used to emacs and elisp - but even though, org kept me with emacs - I don't want to miss org and babel with ess when writing code! And now it is gnus... > > In the meantime, despite I found some MUAs quite impressive, I knew deep > down that none really match Gnus. So, when Org thrown me back in Emacs, > and given Org and Gnus integrate rather well with one another, Gnus was > the next logical step, which I do not regret yet. After two days, I was frustrated with gnus, andstarted thunderbird again... When after five minutes thunderbird was still unresponsive and using one of my two cores, I decided that's it - gnus is so much faster and when I search with notmuch, I have everything I need for now (well - next step is the google calendar...). > > A tiny example from yesterday. Knowing that Google Reader is soon going > to leave us, and after a few other unsatisfying tries, I finally opted > for Gwene + Gnus, and found out that the UI is even more efficient than > Google Reader, at least for me, to sort out what I want to read and what > I want to ignore. Some groups (Hacker News is typical) only yield links > in Gnus, with no text. It took me about one hour (my Gnus programming > is rather rusty) for adding a Gnus command opening many tabs at once, in > a graphical browser, for all articles I retain in Gnus for reading. Interesting. But As I read my news mainly on my iPad at home (to not distract me even more from work then gnus is already doing) I am trying fee= dly. =20 > > I do not see any other environment in which such tiny projects would > stay reasonably small and tractable. Well - at the moment I don't see the end of gnus yet... Cheers and happy orging, Rainer > > Fran=C3=A7ois > <#secure method=3Dpgpmime mode=3Dsign> --=20 Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology,= UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug