From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Outline cycling does not preserve point's position Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 17:41:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87d2oi57fg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <868uz8sufg.fsf@somewhere.org> <86vc2cqvnb.fsf@somewhere.org> <86y57676t1.fsf@somewhere.org> <89E7FDB6-0F5A-4362-959C-C4B9844A235C@gmail.com> <86txhu7696.fsf@somewhere.org> <0A62C6DE-B3AD-458A-9AB4-92B61A6D3D63@gmail.com> <86ppsi75st.fsf@somewhere.org> <87eh8yo0el.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87li365ixg.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37678) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJ3au-00025O-8L for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:41:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJ3am-0000wn-6P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:41:40 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VJ3al-0000wj-WC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:41:32 -0400 Received: from public by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VJ3aj-0006Qa-LV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 17:41:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Carsten Dominik's message of "Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:23:21 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: Bastien , public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@plane.gmane.org, Sebastien Vauban Carsten Dominik writes: > It is extremely predictable if you know about the structure of an Org > document and if you think in elements. It's a Sexp motion. > It is unexpected for a user who is used to C-arrow doing paragraph > motion. In Org, org-backward-element climbs out if a hierarchy. This > is not what happens in other modes with this command. That is what > I mean with unexpected. OK. Do you want it to return an error if there's no element at the same level above (or below for the forward counterpart)? > Don't get me wrong. I love the element motion stuff. But I am > satisfied for it to be available on M-{ and M-}. > > I like your proposal to introduce a variable for special src behavior. > I personally would also like a variable that allows me to keep the > paragraph commands on C-arrow (because I have almost equally > convenient bindings with M-{}) - but maybe that is just me? But `org-forward-element'/`org-backward-element' are the paragraph commands for Org. Unlike to Text mode, contents in Org have a depth. So it's not just about stopping at blank lines. Even stopping at blank lines is not satisfying: XParagraph | a | table | Another paragraph A decent forward paragraph command should stop at the table here. On the other hand, it doesn't make much sense to stop at the blank line below: X#+begin_src emacs-lisp ;; line 1 ;; line 2 #+end_src Another paragraph When depth isn't involved, I think that `org-forward-element' is as good as it can get as a paragraph motion command, and far better than `forward-paragraph' from "paragraphs.el". Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou