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Wed, 13 Oct 2021 00:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec References: <541af1a2-d532-13f7-8cf6-6edbfe64fdc1@easy-emacs.de> <87zgre6qgx.fsf@gmail.com> <4c834a6c-e92b-443d-90e9-f9dbef527f0c@easy-emacs.de> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 09:34:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4c834a6c-e92b-443d-90e9-f9dbef527f0c@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?="'s message of "Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:47:16 +0200") Message-ID: <87czo9z8cc.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Or are you saying you would like org-indent-line to also indent "* bla", because =C2=AB a command called "indent-line definitely should indent =C2= =BB? > Seems the original coulprit is that unhappy switch of RET and C-j, in > order to make Emacs "modern". "Modern" did not factor in; the goal was to have RET and C-j behave consistently in all major modes. > Maybe make RET RET again? After much discussion on emacs-orgmode, it has been found that a lot of users expect neither (1) their prose to be indented, nor (2) RET to indent. Since electric-indent-mode is enabled globally in Emacs, RET indents according to the major mode's indentation rules. Thus it was decided to change the default value of org-adapt-indentation, to reflect the expectations of the Org users who took the time to chime in on the mailing list to describe their workflow and expectations. If you think the default value should be reverted back to t, I suggest you make your case on emacs-orgmode.