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[2001:44b8:31f2:bb00:36a2:4a28:9b91:4a0e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o185sm1155107pfg.113.2021.12.01.18.36.00 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 01 Dec 2021 18:36:01 -0800 (PST) References: <2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <875ysb7v1r.fsf@gmail.com> <2021-11-29T14-12-55@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87tufuu8ah.fsf@atlantis> <2021-11-30T21-02-53@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <2021-12-02T00-41-46@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> User-agent: mu4e 1.7.5; emacs 28.0.60 From: Tim Cross To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 12:44:45 +1100 In-reply-to: <2021-12-02T00-41-46@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> Message-ID: <87czmfivht.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::631 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::631; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x631.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Hi Karl, thanks for writing up your experiences. I'm not surprised about the reaction you got from reddit. I gave up on reddit some time back due to the toxic nature of too many threads. I don't know why it is so often toxic, but it really isn't worth the hassle. Starting up a project is difficult. I have an open source JS library which has turned out to be far more popular than I expected (averages over 150k downloads each week). I'm not sure I was ready for the commitment maintaining such a project involves - especially the long term nature of it. At times, I ahve had problems with rather 'entitled' users who demand ridiculous things from a free bit of software and who can become extremely rude and somewhat nasty when I don't do what they want. I've learnt to just ignore them. The best advice I can give is to suggest you just put the whole thing on the back burner for a month or so and then come back to it. During that time, other comments are bound to come through and I find the later comments are often far more considered and less emotional than initial responses. Stepping back gives the subconscious part of your brain time to process everything and will likely provide additional clarity once it has had time to percolate.