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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 49A21201BB X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.51 X-Spam-Score: -6.51 X-TUID: PXg8cQCdVSXi writes: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 08:32:44AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote: > > [...] > >> Assuming the quoting of previous postings works (above there seems to be >> a discrepancy between '>>' and '> >', although Gnus seems to handle >> that), is there some sort of 'bottom-postify' command which would >> reorder the quotes? I occasionally do this by hand if I find the text >> makes no sense to me otherwise. > > ISTR there was something, not in the Emacs context, alas, and before > the First Internet Supernova (aka roughly Y2K, when Google had the > choice to either go bust or go evil). > > I guess it won't work, since proper "bottom posting" is a bit more > than just putting the whole kaboodle above and your two lines below. That maybe true. However, it would probably cover well over 90% of my uses-cases. Often someone sends me a message, I bottom-post an interleaved reply, and then the other person top-posts their answer. In this case would be enough just to move the other person's singly quoted, non-interleaved text to the bottom. > It takes some involvement on the responder's side to pick and choose > the parts of the message she's addressing in the response. Once the blunt bottomification has been done, I can always delete stuff that isn't relevant, although usually I wouldn't need to do that. > Perhaps, with a large language model... Maybe, but then I would probably wait until one is advanced enough can answer all my mail and deal with all follow-ups entirely on its own :-) > More seriously: those are simply different cultures. I strongly doubt > you can bridge that with "just" a technical device (although it may > help sometimes). As I think you said, the mixture of top- and bottom posting is the worst, so it would be nice to have something to fix at least the simple cases. However I should probably raise the topic on the Gnus list rather than discussing it any further here. Cheers, Loris -- This signature is currently under constuction.