org-open-at-point while on "normal" text

org-open-at-point while on "normal" text

[Rainer Dunker]

Hello All,

typing C-c C-o to follow a link while point is on "normal" text instead of a link, this results in error "no link found"; okay.

Recently there was an Org Mode upgrade from version 9.4.4 to 9.6.6 on my machine, and since then, C-c C-o on "normal" text behaves differently: Instead of raising the no link error, it opens the "Select link to open" menu. As I understand, this behaviour should occur when point is on the section's headline, but not when it's just somewhere within the section.

I tracked this down to a changed behaviour of the org-element-at-point function. Suppose I have a buffer in Org Mode containing these two lines:

   * headline
   text

If I place point within the word "text" and evaluate the expression ...

(org-element-property :parent (org-element-property :parent (org-element-at-point)))

... this results in "(headline (:raw-value "headline" :begin 1 ...", apparently meaning that I just navigated the document structure tree from the text paragraph up to the section headline.

Doing the same test on another machine with Org Mode 9.4.4, the expression results in nil. And as far as I understand, this is the expected behaviour: Starting with (org-element-at-point) and following the chain of parent relations in the structure tree should not reach the headline. I found this explanation in both the Org Element API reference in section 1.1 ...

https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-element-api.html#local

... as well as in this mailing list post:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2020-02/msg00226.html

I also noticed that, between these two Org Mode versions, the org-element-at-point function has been completely rewritten. Now my question is: Is the changed behaviour--and, as a consequence, also that of org-open-at-point--intended or rather a bug?

Regards,

Rainer Dunker

Re: org-open-at-point while on "normal" text

[Ihor Radchenko]

Rainer Dunker <rainer.dunker@mailbox.org> writes:

> Recently there was an Org Mode upgrade from version 9.4.4 to 9.6.6 on my machine, and since then, C-c C-o on "normal" text behaves differently: Instead of raising the no link error, it opens the "Select link to open" menu. As I understand, this behaviour should occur when point is on the section's headline, but not when it's just somewhere within the section.
>
> I tracked this down to a changed behaviour of the org-element-at-point function. Suppose I have a buffer in Org Mode containing these two lines:
>
>    * headline
>    text

I am unable to reproduce the problem on the latest stable version of Org
mode - 9.6.17.

May you upgrade Org mode and let us know if you are still experiencing
the problem?

-- 
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Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
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Re: org-open-at-point while on "normal" text

[Rainer Dunker]

Am 28.01.2024 um 19:48:16 schrieb Ihor Radchenko:
> > Recently there was an Org Mode upgrade from version 9.4.4 to 9.6.6 on my machine, and since then, C-c C-o on "normal" text behaves differently: Instead of raising the no link error, it opens the "Select link to open" menu. As I understand, this behaviour should occur when point is on the section's headline, but not when it's just somewhere within the section.
> >
> > I tracked this down to a changed behaviour of the org-element-at-point function. Suppose I have a buffer in Org Mode containing these two lines:
> >
> >    * headline
> >    text
> 
> I am unable to reproduce the problem on the latest stable version of Org
> mode - 9.6.17.
> 
> May you upgrade Org mode and let us know if you are still experiencing
> the problem?

Of course. I did a test install of release_9.6.17-1108-gf490c15, and yes--the unepected behaviour persists. The result of the test expression is not completely identical to that of version 9.6.6, though; instead of ...

   (headline (:raw-value "heading" :begin 1 :end 16 :pre-blank 0
   :contents-begin 11 :contents-end 16 ...

... it starts with:

   (headline (:standard-properties [1 1 11 16 16 0 (:title) first-section
   element t nil 13 ...

But nevertheless, it's still not nil. Thus, I'm afraid, the upgrade did not solve the issue.

Thanks for the superfast reply and for any further help,

Rainer

Re: org-open-at-point while on "normal" text

[Ihor Radchenko]

Rainer Dunker <rainer.dunker@mailbox.org> writes:

>> I am unable to reproduce the problem on the latest stable version of Org
>> mode - 9.6.17.
>> 
>> May you upgrade Org mode and let us know if you are still experiencing
>> the problem?
>
> Of course. I did a test install of release_9.6.17-1108-gf490c15, and yes--the unepected behaviour persists. The result of the test expression is not completely identical to that of version 9.6.6, though; instead of ...
>
>    (headline (:raw-value "heading" :begin 1 :end 16 :pre-blank 0
>    :contents-begin 11 :contents-end 16 ...
> ...
> But nevertheless, it's still not nil. Thus, I'm afraid, the upgrade did not solve the issue.

Ok. Then, may you provide more detailed instructions how to reproduce
the problem? Starting from emacs -Q or make repro. See
https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>