Tables in Plain Lists

Tables in Plain Lists

[SW]

I was making notes today as follows:

==============================

* List of important items [0%]
- [ ] Item 1
  - This is an important item.
  - Remember to do the hokey-pokey.

|---|---|
| A | B |
| C | D |

- [ ] Item 2
  - This is not as important.

==============================

Of course, the plain list terminates when the table starts, so <TAB> on "Item 1"
only collapses it to where the table starts. Also, the table can't be indented
as part of the list. In the end, I moved the table elsewhere, but for future
reference, is there a preferred way to do this?

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

SW <sabrewolfy@gmail.com> writes:

> I was making notes today as follows:
>
> ==============================
>
> * List of important items [0%]
> - [ ] Item 1
>   - This is an important item.
>   - Remember to do the hokey-pokey.
>
> |---|---|
> | A | B |
> | C | D |
>
> - [ ] Item 2
>   - This is not as important.
>
> ==============================
>
> Of course, the plain list terminates when the table starts, so <TAB> on "Item 1"
> only collapses it to where the table starts.

> Also, the table can't be indented as part of the list.

It can: just move it in manually. Then it will stay there.

> In the end, I moved the table elsewhere, but for future reference, is
> there a preferred way to do this?

Yes:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
* List of important items [0%]
- [ ] Item 1
  - This is an important item.
  - Remember to do the hokey-pokey.
    
    |---+---|
    | A | B |
    | C | D |

- [ ] Item 2
  - This is not as important
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Note that it will be easier if you don't start your table with a rule,
since expanding a fresh "|-" will create the table at column 0.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[SW]

Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou <at> gmail.com> writes:

>> Also, the table can't be indented as part of the list.
> 
> It can: just move it in manually. Then it will stay there.

Thanks. I thought any indentation should be avoided, but I think this is a good
solution.

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Bernt Hansen]

SW <sabrewolfy@gmail.com> writes:

> I was making notes today as follows:
>
> ==============================
>
> * List of important items [0%]
> - [ ] Item 1
>   - This is an important item.
>   - Remember to do the hokey-pokey.
>
> |---|---|
> | A | B |
> | C | D |
>
> - [ ] Item 2
>   - This is not as important.
>
> ==============================
>
> Of course, the plain list terminates when the table starts, so <TAB> on "Item 1"
> only collapses it to where the table starts. Also, the table can't be indented
> as part of the list. In the end, I moved the table elsewhere, but for future
> reference, is there a preferred way to do this?

TAB won't indent it but you can use the rectable C-x r o to shift it
right so it is part of the list.

-Bernt

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Joost Kremers]

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:14:45PM -0400, Bernt Hansen wrote:
> SW <sabrewolfy@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I was making notes today as follows:
> >
> > ==============================
> >
> > * List of important items [0%]
> > - [ ] Item 1
> >   - This is an important item.
> >   - Remember to do the hokey-pokey.
> >
> > |---|---|
> > | A | B |
> > | C | D |
> >
> > - [ ] Item 2
> >   - This is not as important.
> >
> > ==============================
> >
> > Of course, the plain list terminates when the table starts, so <TAB> on "Item 1"
> > only collapses it to where the table starts. Also, the table can't be indented
> > as part of the list. In the end, I moved the table elsewhere, but for future
> > reference, is there a preferred way to do this?
> 
> TAB won't indent it but you can use the rectable C-x r o to shift it
> right so it is part of the list.

actually, IME, if you select the table and then hit tab, it does indent.

-- 
Dr. Joost Kremers
Georg-August-Universität
Seminar für Deutsche Philologie
Käte-Hamburger-Weg 3
D-37073 Göttingen

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[SW]

Joost Kremers <joostkremers <at> fastmail.fm> writes:

>> TAB won't indent it but you can use the rectable C-x r o to shift it
>> right so it is part of the list.
 
> actually, IME, if you select the table and then hit tab, it does indent.

Not for me. The rectable solution is a good one though.

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Nick Dokos]

SW <sabrewolfy@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joost Kremers <joostkremers <at> fastmail.fm> writes:
> 
> >> TAB won't indent it but you can use the rectable C-x r o to shift it
> >> right so it is part of the list.
>  
> > actually, IME, if you select the table and then hit tab, it does indent.
> 
> Not for me. The rectable solution is a good one though.
> 

Are you sure? As Joost says, you have to select the table (C-space at
one end and move to the other end; and I think transient-mark-mode must
be in effect - which is on by default in emacs24, but maybe not in
emacs23? - so you should see the table highlighted). Pressing TAB after
that indents the table AFAICS.

Nick

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[SW]

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos <at> hp.com> writes:

> Are you sure? As Joost says, you have to select the table (C-space at
> one end and move to the other end; and I think transient-mark-mode must
> be in effect - which is on by default in emacs24, but maybe not in
> emacs23? - so you should see the table highlighted). Pressing TAB after
> that indents the table AFAICS.

Emacs 23.2.1 with org 7.8.06. Tested with transient-mark-mode enabled and
disabled. I selected the table and hit <TAB>. Point moved by one tab (if I
selected from the top to the bottom of the table) or moved into the table (if I
selected the other way round) and, in the one instance, the highlight on the
region disappeared. But the table remained obstinately unindented.

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Joost Kremers]

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 07:13:36PM +0000, SW wrote:
> Emacs 23.2.1 with org 7.8.06. Tested with transient-mark-mode enabled and
> disabled. I selected the table and hit <TAB>. Point moved by one tab (if I
> selected from the top to the bottom of the table) or moved into the table (if I
> selected the other way round) and, in the one instance, the highlight on the
> region disappeared. But the table remained obstinately unindented.

the trick is to move point to the line *below* the table. TAB will then do
whatever it does on that line and if it happens to be an empty line or a
line with ordinary text, it indents, taking the entire region (including
the table) with it.

in essence, TAB will do whatever TAB does, regardless of whether the region
is active. so if point is still within the table, TAB moves to the next
cell, possibly creating a new one. if the line after the table contains a
headline and you move point to it, it (un)folds the headline. so you need
to make sure TAB is on a line that it indents.

-- 
Dr. Joost Kremers
Georg-August-Universität
Seminar für Deutsche Philologie
Käte-Hamburger-Weg 3
D-37073 Göttingen

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Gregor Zattler]

Hi Joost,
* Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> [16. May. 2012]:
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 07:13:36PM +0000, SW wrote:
>> Emacs 23.2.1 with org 7.8.06. Tested with transient-mark-mode enabled and
>> disabled. I selected the table and hit <TAB>. Point moved by one tab (if I
>> selected from the top to the bottom of the table) or moved into the table (if I
>> selected the other way round) and, in the one instance, the highlight on the
>> region disappeared. But the table remained obstinately unindented.
> 
> the trick is to move point to the line *below* the table. TAB will then do
> whatever it does on that line and if it happens to be an empty line or a
> line with ordinary text, it indents, taking the entire region (including
> the table) with it.
> 
> in essence, TAB will do whatever TAB does, regardless of whether the region
> is active. so if point is still within the table, TAB moves to the next
> cell, possibly creating a new one. if the line after the table contains a
> headline and you move point to it, it (un)folds the headline. so you need
> to make sure TAB is on a line that it indents.

Really great.  This works for me with Emacs 23.4.1 and it's org
version 6.33x, while not with the same Emacs and org-version
7.8.10 (release_7.8.10-529-gc4cad9).  I copied the version info
from the info file since org-version shows no
version any more.

My minimal .emacs for this test was:
(setq load-path (cons "~/src/org-mode/lisp" load-path)) 
(setq load-path (cons "~/src/org-mode/contrib/lisp" load-path)) 
(require 'org-install)
(org-reload)



Ciao, Gregor
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Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Joost Kremers]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:24:22PM +0200, Gregor Zattler wrote:
> Really great.  This works for me with Emacs 23.4.1 and it's org
> version 6.33x, while not with the same Emacs and org-version
> 7.8.10 (release_7.8.10-529-gc4cad9).  I copied the version info
> from the info file since org-version shows no
> version any more.

it works for me with:

Elisp> emacs-version
"24.1.50.1"
Elisp> org-version
"7.8.09"


-- 
Dr. Joost Kremers
Georg-August-Universität
Seminar für Deutsche Philologie
Käte-Hamburger-Weg 3
D-37073 Göttingen

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Achim Gratz]

Gregor Zattler writes:
> Really great.  This works for me with Emacs 23.4.1 and it's org
> version 6.33x, while not with the same Emacs and org-version 7.8.10
> (release_7.8.10-529-gc4cad9).  I copied the version info from the info
> file since org-version shows no version any more.

You didn't do a 'make autoloads'?

> My minimal .emacs for this test was:
> (setq load-path (cons "~/src/org-mode/lisp" load-path)) 
> (setq load-path (cons "~/src/org-mode/contrib/lisp" load-path)) 

I know you find this in lots of places, but what's wrong with

(add-to-list "~/src/org-mode/lisp" load-path)

which also takes care not to add the same entry multiple times?

> (require 'org-install)

And where is this org-install found?  The one that came with Emacs won't do.

> (org-reload)

Unnecessary.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Gregor Zattler]

Hi Achim,
* Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> [17. May. 2012]:
> Gregor Zattler writes:
>> Really great.  This works for me with Emacs 23.4.1 and it's org
>> version 6.33x, while not with the same Emacs and org-version 7.8.10
>> (release_7.8.10-529-gc4cad9).  I copied the version info from the info
>> file since org-version shows no version any more.
> 
> You didn't do a 'make autoloads'?

I didn't because I do not see any difference.  Until now a daily
cron job pulls the git repository and does a 
make clean && make all && make doc
now I manually did make clean && make autoloads && make all && make doc
and org-version gives me:

Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /usr/share/Emacs/23.4/lisp/org/org-install.el.gz)

that's the same as before.

>> My minimal .emacs for this test was:
>> (setq load-path (cons "~/src/org-mode/lisp" load-path)) 
>> (setq load-path (cons "~/src/org-mode/contrib/lisp" load-path)) 
> 
> I know you find this in lots of places, but what's wrong with
> 
> (add-to-list "~/src/org-mode/lisp" load-path)
> 
> which also takes care not to add the same entry multiple times?

I have a stanca like yours in my ~/.Emacs.d/init.el but for this
test I copied this from the org info file chapter 1.2
Installation.

>> (require 'org-install)
> 
> And where is this org-install found?  The one that came with
> Emacs won't do.
>
>> (org-reload)
> 
> Unnecessary.

These are leftovers.  I realised that there is no org-install in
the git repo and I am confused.

Ciao, Gregor
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Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Achim Gratz]

Gregor Zattler writes:
> I didn't because I do not see any difference.

All you need to do is

make update autoloads

Until some patches that Bastien is reviewing have been committed, it is
important that the "autoloads" are done last or that org is installed to
some other place than the Git worktree.


Regards,
Achim.
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how to install org from git repo / org-version problem (was: Re: Tables in Plain Lists)

[Gregor Zattler]

Hi Achim,
* Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> [17. May. 2012]:
> Gregor Zattler writes:
>> I didn't because I do not see any difference.
> 
> All you need to do is
> 
> make update autoloads
> 
> Until some patches that Bastien is reviewing have been committed, it is
> important that the "autoloads" are done last or that org is installed to
> some other place than the Git worktree.

Thanks for your suggestion, I did cd to working copy did 

make update autoloads

was astonished that this pulls from the repo, saw the compiling
and the generation of the manual, started Emacs -Q -l ~/.emacs

but the result of org-version is the same, e.g. no version string
shown.



And with respect to the original problem:  The table is not
indented. 

Ciao, Gregor
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Re: how to install org from git repo / org-version problem

[Achim Gratz]

Gregor Zattler writes:
> Thanks for your suggestion, I did cd to working copy did 
>
> make update autoloads
>
> was astonished that this pulls from the repo, saw the compiling
> and the generation of the manual, started Emacs -Q -l ~/.emacs
> but the result of org-version is the same, e.g. no version string
> shown.

Well, try something different then.  First off, check you have these two
files in the lisp directory:

org-install.el
org-version.el

This is what 'make autoloads' should produce.  Check that you do _not_
have org-install.el or org.el (or any .el file, really) in the directory
that you start Emacs from.  Then do:

emacs -q -no-site-file -Q -L ~/src/org-mode/lisp -l org-install.el

Do

M-x locate-library
org
M-x locate-library
org-install
M-x locate-library
org-version
M-x org-version

in that Emacs and tell me what you get in *Messages*.

> And with respect to the original problem:  The table is not
> indented. 

My guess is that this will resolve itself once you find out why the
above isn't working as it should.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: how to install org from git repo / org-version problem

[Gregor Zattler]

Hi Achim,
* Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> [17. May. 2012]:
> Gregor Zattler writes:
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I did cd to working copy did 
>>
>> make update autoloads
>>
>> was astonished that this pulls from the repo, saw the compiling
>> and the generation of the manual, started Emacs -Q -l ~/.emacs
>> but the result of org-version is the same, e.g. no version string
>> shown.


O.K. I do make update autoloads  and therefore I do this test
with 

Org-mode version 7.8.10 (release_7.8.10-564-g893a09 @ /home/grfz/src/org-mode/lisp/)

(e.g. with your patch ensure that M-x org-version always delivers
something useful applied)

> Well, try something different then.  First off, check you have these two
> files in the lisp directory:
> 
> org-install.el
> org-version.el

~/src/org-mode[GIT]$ find |egrep "org-(install|version).el"
./lisp/org-version.el~
./lisp/org-version.el
./lisp/org-install.el~
./lisp/org-install.el

The files are there.

> This is what 'make autoloads' should produce.  Check that you do _not_
> have org-install.el or org.el (or any .el file, really) in the directory
> that you start Emacs from.  Then do:

cd /tmp
0 grfz@boo:/tmp$ find |egrep "\.el$"
1 grfz@boo:/tmp$ 

no *.el files in /tmp


> emacs -q -no-site-file -Q -L ~/src/org-mode/lisp -l org-install.el

0 grfz@boo:/tmp$ Emacs -q -no-site-file -Q -L ~/src/org-mode/lisp -l org-install.el table-indentation-test.org

> Do
> 
> M-x locate-library
> org
> M-x locate-library
> org-install
> M-x locate-library
> org-version
> M-x org-version
> 
> in that Emacs and tell me what you get in *Messages*.

Library is file ~/src/org-mode/lisp/org.elc
Library is file ~/src/org-mode/lisp/org-install.el
Library is file ~/src/org-mode/lisp/org-version.el


>> And with respect to the original problem:  The table is not
>> indented. 
> 
> My guess is that this will resolve itself once you find out why the
> above isn't working as it should.

Your guess is correct.  Thank you very much.


Ciao, Gregor
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Re: how to install org from git repo / org-version problem

[Achim Gratz]

Gregor Zattler writes:
[...]

Now it looks like it should.

> Your guess is correct.  Thank you very much.

You're welcome.  With the patches now in place, an explicit
"make autoloads" has become unneccesary and simply "make update" should
keep you current.  If you don't want tthe PDF documentation made during
the update, uncomment the line with ORG_MAKE_DOC in local.mk.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[Bastien]

Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:

> Until some patches that Bastien is reviewing have been committed, it is
> important that the "autoloads" are done last or that org is installed to
> some other place than the Git worktree.

I just applied Achim's patches about this issue.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Tables in Plain Lists

[SW]

Bernt Hansen <bernt <at> norang.ca> writes:

> 
> TAB won't indent it but you can use the rectable C-x r o to shift it
> right so it is part of the list.

Thanks. That's awesome :)