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[97.126.68.82]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k15sm3649096pjm.6.2020.11.03.05.31.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 03 Nov 2020 05:31:29 -0800 (PST) References: <87eelaeixa.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6vy4mui.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.3; emacs 27.1 From: Ken Mankoff To: Eric S Fraga Subject: Re: Thoughts on the standardization of Org In-reply-to: <87a6vy4mui.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2020 05:31:28 -0800 Message-ID: <87blgeefdb.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e; envelope-from=mankoff@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x42e.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: David Rogers , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=pd2RiFim; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.71 X-TUID: CyNKvc1ytOuS Hi Eric, On 2020-11-03 at 05:00 -08, Eric S Fraga wrote... > The benefits of org mode for me are that it is Emacs. [...] I find it > difficult to see any further standardization that would provide any > real benefits *to me*. If others see those benefits, excellent! All > power to them and I hope there is success in greater use of org > documents outside Emacs which would possibly trickle back benefits > into org mode in Emacs. No need to apologize! I'm similar to you re emacs usage and cannot imagine I'd leave it even if 3rd-party implementations existed. There is no way that 3rd party tool would also read my email, have magit, implement all of Org that I use, edit TeX, etc. But I'm weary of seeing all my colleagues say "Jupyter" and not "Org" when it comes to sharing their code/work. I have a fantasy that in 5 years I tell someone who doesn't use Emacs but uses Atom or some other editor to "pip install org-lsp" and then double-click on this Org file I just emailed you, and then right-click on the code block and select "evaluate" from the popup menu. That sounds horrific to me as a user, except the part where I can interact more powerfully with more colleagues. In this fantasy this adds no additional effort or stress to the current devs, because we're a big diverse community, and if TEC doesn't want to work on Org core code, but does want to make an emacs-lsp or org-lsp, more power to them. -k.