From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 7d7IIM2m4mAhSgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 08:29:33 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id WNnfG82m4mAKFAAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 06:29:33 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00338888D for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 08:29:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58544 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0I6m-0000Zj-1f for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 02:29:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0I5y-0000Qw-K0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 02:28:42 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:51728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0I5w-0007NB-QR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 02:28:42 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0I5s-0009qv-VE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 08:28:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Uwe Brauer Subject: Re: export org table to other formats (gnumeric or scalc or xlsx) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2021 08:28:27 +0200 Message-ID: <87bl7hb7g4.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87o8bickwk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fswtn1ei.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=sha256; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Er6u1+ckDHIJRqfDE3JjGqN/Jno= Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1625466573; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=rv+vLYOpoSn+vZGy70bs+o+6s1Gw18gvTzTCVG7lrKk=; b=B/oTdUbffXfkh5qgik4oE4l04ZG7go5fvm3rXyV2sAbCDnWiqUUowZSNj6miRBhx9aCOuq kvILQRZaWZFTdSI6zN9PY2CMHXl+fdTnhn7RZ2ZumuIZTWhqxscPFymoWD6MuWVR8NrtV3 QYiHZKDrjdA2BZkzLb3uz6BKXW81DU2aSgVP07HKL8K4pR5QBSuo/4pgv2hSJsNPBxBGBB +DHsyEke8YsosoxlWC7wd3MTf+EHnM6Lhz8P2y37mKdy+QXoymyfgZP8WPW19185c/mPw9 BxmU1vtxx9HTozZCfaKqKTaotr6y5NZWu0OaOsE9v8NocxPs76UJ93dU30sdnw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1625466573; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=u5PyjNvL+HKlBv+LW623Yk/C+pkN9wdK8V5UVWTw0sKLAmdxFm1bfZ/6g8f1dDzkn23d8P 81iIhukxCx0O+XGRzzBJ1m7ioF10G1wmPrQnm5K1lkABY2UU98cy8sAv/LQv2VGocP5F7S cGP64Ww6NqRnN+SnQgSTXVl8F/i5oFi/99wE7cwhEfYLFy4St2ZOfAYu1JvDBwwm+IwfVN LAJ/L/qh29uebSSqlzaNrxAj/G6TzBkGmM8f1/KRKSzQqMxskMV9qzZCriEBFo/yjCv8gv r9IACHwvFn2qZ2+YVG3duEKBOiU9MweN28GlT0c33yGKa7QWkSqxgja5o7MQVA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.09 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=mat.ucm.es (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 00338888D X-Spam-Score: 0.09 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: dY2O2oPwmX/+ --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> "TC" =3D=3D Tim Cross writes: > Uwe Brauer writes: >> Hi >>=20 >> A couple of days ago I asked about importing excel formula into org >> tables, and they only ways seems to do it manually. >>=20 >> I just realised that I need it also the other way around, exporting to >> some spreadsheet format, like gnumerica or scalc or xlsx. >>=20 >> But that look equally difficult, isn't.=20 >>=20 >> Some hints would be welcome. >>=20 > The big problem here is that there is no single format understood by all > these different programs which you can use. While CSV works OK for data, > it does not support formulas and other meta data. In particular, > translating formulas is a real challenge. > I went down this rabbit hole some years back i.e. having a workflow > which allowed me to interact with others who used Excel and allowing me > to use org mode. > It took hours and hours of additional work and never worked reliably > because > - I never found a way of 'exporting' to a format which could be imported > by Excel and included formulas > - None of the Excel export formats support full export of Excel - > especially at the meta data level i.e. Visual Basic macros and other > 'objects'. Workbooks were a real pain. > - Constantly having to do 'hand tweaking' to fix formulas and other > 'meta' information (both directions). When exporting to Excel, I would > have to open the spreadsheet in another program to 'clean it up' > before sending it to colleagues.=20=20 > - Too many different Excel versions. This issue may not be as bad now, > but back then, there were multiple xlsx versions and you would get > different results depending on the version. Thanks very much for this detailed answer. Actually only two solutions crossed my mind, one is the database approach you mentioned. The other, though much more restricted to relatively simple formulas,=20 would require a more human readable spreadsheet formula, like SKL, or stencila https://stenci.la/blog/humane-sheets/ So the idea would be to export/import from org to SKL or stencila and then, hopefully let, excel or scalc, do the rest. By the way, although scalc is open/free software its native format is also somehow difficult to read and I presume, your description would also apply to scalc's format as well. The same might be true for gnumerics... 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