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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: jan.seeger@thenybble.de, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, dal-blazej@onenetbeyond.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1636892047; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=y40iWvNFpVzPeHoGhgoucprmpjyUu0LTM+dx7FoId+A=; b=kCYq1w9Y4sUvq22sS1lcXBHrs7ilTTduLbUZgoyTZtcFsuYfrFWsYdGhmEgw309i0UQB48 2IpiW2H3wPgwefkQ+JU0AWR7V1wtyjBt9dz9oYfvmgcGyiaFeKoHc/x+okmFJKKwIIkT6y GbK4USA2ZHD7Uxl+2hmxsOHBvVQJMMXXzXmtinrXs8SgqHZUaZvexbgsBM4osqMyaun1vC TUPMITgd1gYNnvuQe89ZPiD0Nxrvq3fRLkLK8/BfuZXXskG4GGGhEu6T7WW1rMXX6zzlVf hv0YUN9ndd2IHlumvuCH3MwA9scUwYNw6MrnI7SuaH+5Qtn0rLxqeHetloQ8JA== ARC-Seal: i=2; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1636892047; a=rsa-sha256; cv=pass; b=tzcisdPZtUiAl7fAhoCVE8lCj/0edZLqPxD/NFnPDFcAZUFL+UU8q4Ylv6c1YTbJ+MA3Gz 0xbrSRkyJLwk9RZiFnWvYXx70JkhM3sPMgwUB4d81FJsy/JbkDt71zZg5N73W7FRf27GMu iyCxah+Wr2fV/B17j+UXK4AcppvmSYAURKl+xiW2PCLT5kzgE9pqvDVQe33EBFNxxfNS9z fGhANd/nOulBlQpqmHrjkQpx9JSxztrCqMRRXZbJUT13DlfPa736Fr+pQ2fX+3hYmoWVod BTl+U7JK71NHhcPuG+yqYjpMs6VkMywKwARTluS9NXk9GqBBfnYblnu/hH4FtQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=ucl.ac.uk header.s=selector1 header.b=RhbSO+yz; arc=pass ("microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1"); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.54 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=ucl.ac.uk header.s=selector1 header.b=RhbSO+yz; arc=pass ("microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1"); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0D1EB353D8 X-Spam-Score: -5.54 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: BzfXvv85JXUO On Sunday, 14 Nov 2021 at 14:08, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Can you elaborate? We are looking forward for ideas how to improve Org > in this area. More concrete suggestions are welcome. I posted about this some weeks ago. It would be desirable to have org manage window placement much less, if at all. Emacs has sufficient customizations possible for window management, display-buffer-alist being the default variable to customize. I am constantly fighting org and find that it just does not allow me to configure window placement to my satisfaction, especially on *ultra-wide* monitors. My suggestion would be to remove all/most window management from org itself and simply suggest possible settings for display-buffer-alist, say. To some degree, gnus suffers from the same control issues but Lars has, as one would expect, provided an amazingly extensive fully customizable window management configuration for gnus... I don't think org should go to that extreme, however. Thank you, eric -- : Eric S Fraga, with org release_9.5-228-g577b98 in Emacs 29.0.50 : Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096