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For the sake of staying vaguely on-track, I think it=E2=80=99s worth noting= that Ihor=E2=80=99s comments make no mention of changing the Org syntax, or creating an abstract definition (that has existed as a WIP for years). There=E2=80=99s been a bit too much speculation[1] in this thread methinks= =E2=80=A6 All the best, Timothy Footnotes =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2= =94=80 [1] Don=E2=80=99t get me started on speculations building on speculation. --=-=-=--