Tracking Tags ??

Tracking Tags ??

[David Masterson]

Anyone have a good method of tracking the Tags that you've use across
all of your Org files?  Some sort of Tag Index to help you keep track of
the tags you've used and where you've used them so that you don't start
creating new tags that differ from old ones by (say) capitalization?  Or
to help you find everything tagged a certain when you're moving to a new
tagging style?  Perhaps an index where you could keep a note on why and
when you created the tag?

Is there any tools for this?
--
David

Re: Tracking Tags ??

[Colin Baxter]

Hello David,
>>>>> David Masterson <dsmasterson@outlook.com> writes:

    > Anyone have a good method of tracking the Tags that you've use
    > across all of your Org files?  Some sort of Tag Index to help you
    > keep track of the tags you've used and where you've used them so
    > that you don't start creating new tags that differ from old ones
    > by (say) capitalization?  Or to help you find everything tagged a
    > certain when you're moving to a new tagging style?  Perhaps an
    > index where you could keep a note on why and when you created the
    > tag?

    > Is there any tools for this?  -- David

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but what's wrong with just using grep?

Best wishes,


Colin Baxter
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Re: Tracking Tags ??

[John Kitchin]

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There are a few ways to specify tags with inheritance at the file, and
heading level that would be trickier to get via grep. That said, if you
have a nice grep cmd/regexp that finds tags do share!

John

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 1:25 PM Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:

> Hello David,
> >>>>> David Masterson <dsmasterson@outlook.com> writes:
>
>     > Anyone have a good method of tracking the Tags that you've use
>     > across all of your Org files?  Some sort of Tag Index to help you
>     > keep track of the tags you've used and where you've used them so
>     > that you don't start creating new tags that differ from old ones
>     > by (say) capitalization?  Or to help you find everything tagged a
>     > certain when you're moving to a new tagging style?  Perhaps an
>     > index where you could keep a note on why and when you created the
>     > tag?
>
>     > Is there any tools for this?  -- David
>
> Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but what's wrong with just using grep?
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Colin Baxter
> m43cap@yandex.com
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Re: Tracking Tags ??

[Colin Baxter]

>>>>> John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

    > There are a few ways to specify tags with inheritance at the file,
    > and heading level that would be trickier to get via grep. That
    > said, if you have a nice grep cmd/regexp that finds tags do share!

I take your point. My setup must be very simple because I find just
'grep -irn <TAG> .' is sufficient.

Best wishes,

Colin Baxter
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Re: Tracking Tags ??

[John Kitchin]

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I see, that only finds files with the particular tag. I think the goal of
this is to get a list of all the tags, for use in completion, for example.

John

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 2:48 PM Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:

> >>>>> John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>     > There are a few ways to specify tags with inheritance at the file,
>     > and heading level that would be trickier to get via grep. That
>     > said, if you have a nice grep cmd/regexp that finds tags do share!
>
> I take your point. My setup must be very simple because I find just
> 'grep -irn <TAG> .' is sufficient.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Colin Baxter
> m43cap@yandex.com
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>

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Re: Tracking Tags ??

[Ken Mankoff]

On 2019-01-23 at 12:22 -0800, John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote...
> I see, that only finds files with the particular tag. I think the goal of
> this is to get a list of all the tags, for use in completion, for example.

I do not think grep is the right solution, but as an ugly hack it can find most of my tags rather easily. Tags are wrapped in "::" and at the end of the line, I think. Assuming that, then,

grep -h -E -o "\:.*\:$" *.org | grep -v -E "PROPERTIES|CATEGORY|END|LOG|STYLE|REPEAT|ID|RESULTS" | tr ':' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n

Gives all my tags sorted by usage (I don't use them much) plus a few stray words others...

Since drawers are usually begin on the 1st column, or within the first few columns, an alternative to the negative grep could be "cat *.org | cut -c10- | ..." or some other method to skip the first few columns, rather than growing the negative grep list.

  -k.

Re: Tracking Tags ??

[David Masterson]

Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com> writes:

> Hello David,

>>>>>> David Masterson <dsmasterson@outlook.com> writes:
>
>     > Anyone have a good method of tracking the Tags that you've use
>     > across all of your Org files?  Some sort of Tag Index to help you
>     > keep track of the tags you've used and where you've used them so
>     > that you don't start creating new tags that differ from old ones
>     > by (say) capitalization?  Or to help you find everything tagged a
>     > certain when you're moving to a new tagging style?  Perhaps an
>     > index where you could keep a note on why and when you created the
>     > tag?
>
>     > Is there any tools for this?  -- David
>
> Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but what's wrong with just using grep?

Hmm.  Little old-fashioned myself, but I was thinking of something a
little more integrated with Org.  Perhaps something that could populate
an Org table with the Tag information for reference.  Just a thought...

--
David

Re: Tracking Tags ??

[Anders Johansson]

> Anyone have a good method of tracking the Tags that you've use 
> across
> all of your Org files?  Some sort of Tag Index to help you keep 
> track of
> the tags you've used and where you've used them so that you 
> don't start
> creating new tags that differ from old ones by (say) 
> capitalization?  Or
> to help you find everything tagged a certain when you're moving 
> to a new
> tagging style?  Perhaps an index where you could keep a note on 
> why and
> when you created the tag?

> Is there any tools for this?

I have struggled with similar issues in the context of using tags 
for coding in qualitative data analysis. The stuff that I’ve 
hacked together for solving this (pretty particular) use case are 
available here: https://gitlab.com/andersjohansson/orgqda

Maybe some of the ideas there can help?

This is centred around projects (a bunch of files with research 
material in text form) and I haven’t thought much about adapting 
it to be used for all my org files.

For a project, you can easily extract a list of all used tags, 
rename and merge them. You can define a file for each project as a 
codebook, where the use of each tag is documented. There is also a 
more fancy tag-completion via helm that optionally fetches info 
from the codebook file.

Another approach for keeping a sort of index is John Kitchin’s 
org-db

http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu/blog/2017/01/03/Find-stuff-in-org-mode-anywhere/
Current code:
https://github.com/jkitchin/scimax/blob/master/org-db.el

-- 
Anders Johansson

Re: Tracking Tags ??

[David Masterson]

I wrote:

>> Anyone have a good method of tracking the Tags that you've used across
>> all of your Org files?  Some sort of Tag Index to help you keep track
>> of the tags you've used and where you've used them so that you don't
>> start creating new tags that differ from old ones by (say)
>> capitalization?  Or to help you find everything tagged a certain way
>> when you're moving to a new tagging style?  Perhaps an index where
>> you could keep a note on why and when you created the tag?
>>
>> Is there any tools for this?

Geez, my grammar is terrible because I dropped words! (fixed)

Anders Johansson <mejlaandersj@gmail.com> writes:

> I have struggled with similar issues in the context of using tags for
> coding in qualitative data analysis. The stuff that I’ve hacked
> together for solving this (pretty particular) use case are available
> here: https://gitlab.com/andersjohansson/orgqda
>
> Maybe some of the ideas there can help?
>
> This is centred around projects (a bunch of files with research
> material in text form) and I haven’t thought much about adapting it to
> be used for all my org files.

Interesting.  It seems you're building an Emacs internal database of
tags stored in Emacs variables.  I'm thinking it might be better to
store the information as Org meta file where a header is a tag and under
that might be a note and a table of references to where the tag is used.

> For a project, you can easily extract a list of all used tags, rename
> and merge them. You can define a file for each project as a codebook,
> where the use of each tag is documented. There is also a more fancy
> tag-completion via helm that optionally fetches info from the codebook
> file.

Still learning helm and how it applies.

> Another approach for keeping a sort of index is John Kitchin’s org-db
>
> http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu/blog/2017/01/03/Find-stuff-in-org-mode-anywhere/
> Current code:
> https://github.com/jkitchin/scimax/blob/master/org-db.el

Hmm. Beyond my Emacs hacking...

Thanks.
--
David