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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: David Rogers , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=liveuclac.onmicrosoft.com header.s=selector2-liveuclac-onmicrosoft-com header.b=ntbZ2+lS; arc=pass (microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1); dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=ucl.ac.uk (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.11 X-TUID: 5wQCD42TQcsI On Tuesday, 3 Nov 2020 at 04:14, Ken Mankoff wrote: > Again: GitHub. Orgzly. The conversation should move from "it can't be > done" or "it isn't helpful" (why so much negativity on this thread?) > to Hi Ken, I'm sorry if I came across as being negative. I am not. I just think that there is a clear difference between what some people think org mode is and what others think. I think it's primarily Emacs plus some specific markup, including org babel and some understanding of LaTeX constructs, whereas others maybe think it's markup that happens to be interpreted by Emacs. The two are very different animals. The benefits of org mode for me are that it is Emacs. I could continue to work (maybe not quite as efficiently) without org mode but I would really suffer without Emacs. I've been using Emacs since 1984 and org mode since 2008. And gnus for what feels like forever. ;-) So maybe I'm old skool and fossilised in my views. :-( Apologies if so. I have no problem with a clear syntax definition for org mode documents and Nikolas has gone a long ways in providing that. Beyond that, I find it difficult to see any further standardization that would provide any real benefits *to me*. If others see those benefits, excellent! All power to them and I hope there is success in greater use of org documents outside Emacs which would possibly trickle back benefits into org mode in Emacs. -- : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-61-ga88806.dirty