From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id yEw1LoIP4V+wRwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 21:11:30 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id gGwgKoIP4V+EcgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 21:11:30 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2863940367 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 21:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59210 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krSSm-0004D8-Qf for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:11:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krSS3-000491-4d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:10:43 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:36310) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krSS1-00076y-46 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:10:42 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krSRz-0002s0-A2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 22:10:39 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: Bug: org-element does not recognize table.el tables [9.4 (release_9.4-53-g23f941 @ /home/nick/elisp/org-mode/lisp/)] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:10:32 -0500 Message-ID: <87a6u6uapj.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> References: <87k0tgt9v3.fsf@pierrot.dokosmarshall.org> <87czz4ielc.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7VylwivUqLp2ZeXshET/7dy+tZI= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.72 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F2863940367 X-Spam-Score: -1.72 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: kOj4rmHvBwRe Hi Bastien, Bastien writes: > Would it be so bad if org-mode decides to stop supporting table.el tables? > I don't use table.el tables so it's easy for me to say "Get rid of them" - but there may be objections :-) > I don't see the benefit of supporting both Org tables and tables.el tables, > and it calls for confusion. > > What do you and everyone else think? They do exist in a sort of twilight zone: not many people use them AFAICT, but there is ostensible support and the manual says "Org mode recognizes such tables and exports them properly", but the bug I sent shows that that's not correct. So: fix this bug now that it's been pointed out? Close it as "Will not fix" with some guidance on what the user is supposed to do ("don't use table.el tables" is probably the best advice)? Or decide to jettison table.el support altogether? The first and the last involve real work, the middle one not, but it's not particularly tasty. Somebody else will have to make the decision: I'm fine with either of the exreme ways, not so much with the middle option, but since I'm not going to do the work, I am in no position to insist. BTW, I ran into this while looking into this Emacs SE question: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/62335/org-mode-export-table-to-latex-with-word-wrap -- Nick "There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler