From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id CB42MNYJ6GChEAEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 10:33:26 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id aFTvK9YJ6GDldwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 08:33:26 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 219DF1F951 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2021 10:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:56404 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1lwr-0005F7-3N for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 04:33:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40232) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1lvy-0005Ee-08 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 04:32:30 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-x62f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::62f]:37814) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1lvw-0002yw-Ah for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 04:32:29 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-x62f.google.com with SMTP id a14so4642236pls.4 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 01:32:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:references:user-agent:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=tsNwlXSq5P0kEAI0cBqSjyMJHy+qKXwLspJNa+RM3Ts=; b=sAUbFkvJVvL0FV+dI/OPLQexJG5xodfZltcTZkATYT6OebIRlK32xR2l+pAxk3idQ7 eeKUTlJjv+XqNXgtJxEGRyCj5rf957ad1NX7v4CeOPNBO4cUdnB1ng2GP5JSX60/XfDU 6Ov4KvkHMh7iA2NxdjLhbLK1TGn1O4PtA3sXKlhJG/q/xX70O3+v/lJIhHre3r8yjo8g w46RGnzLiYpvMjnS034Ax1ZlPWwD3xfb39rSaWEtscSG/GueYA3HrRHMFukYej2U5J2N eX6VbyG1ohAqHfM9yu9hOLVEm4mk34H6fcYDq6IlcbsmUxCD3vXXNG7oPF+wbXr0Nb1b 25Kw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:references:user-agent :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=tsNwlXSq5P0kEAI0cBqSjyMJHy+qKXwLspJNa+RM3Ts=; b=cdxnhgUelAJKk3XdwiCCAPTjMwN++uc2I9YUmGiSBzOE4Fyh9+WVyxZl3Mq3zp7vQv YFXBXqveQK6lubM+jySEKdq6XeHm+CynFaFdeUFZYmdr9mLKostg99ONkaUWWEmSd6gi tY48sifgy43DBBmzgUXWW5eW+7OwcCKxOMkRCxqkoMLveoMTF0m0FeoizhVUnrCDqk/u Of7+6yQ3t1VQgKg27A01UvzV0xp46UQwMTyAPcYCDxffewrDY7Hjkfkq2fdL0FQrUfdS mvZNBxnGtYo9KkkKmtCjEzFh3o0SHllYORPkboYwhplsZ5xEdf10k7HCzGqGy4EnP0Qm b1nA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531V5+58QjCrHQ8lUEbjNTY4qO/ymm0DNNhmtj2RLr+yXZDjKUZa KG7l22QmpzyhPO7sqtrGqY8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyoaPX6c1RiKbhqDiPmyZFKIYgTq90dOf60c5rOcEmkiiU37O+wXL8FXRHVuza+WNhd8QkAAg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:f91:: with SMTP id ft17mr9517254pjb.97.1625819547015; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 01:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (180-150-91-8.b4965b.per.nbn.aussiebb.net. [180.150.91.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t5sm6562553pgb.58.2021.07.09.01.32.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Jul 2021 01:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy To: Tim Cross Subject: Re: Slowing down new features Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:22:27 +0800 References: <87czrsai4w.fsf@tpad-m.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87k0m0tw5l.fsf@gmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.15; emacs 28.0.50 In-reply-to: <87k0m0tw5l.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87a6mvx4yw.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::62f; envelope-from=tecosaur@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x62f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Marko Schuetz-Schmuck Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1625819606; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=tsNwlXSq5P0kEAI0cBqSjyMJHy+qKXwLspJNa+RM3Ts=; b=D0IM3uW6wcWuoNtFVb4CS4kKoCtjQfG7MuyXtVJV+hQyzcGPSCjZ/9C548fezzDaUt2nFZ ZUjJtsI5pMtIdMJ0gDzPMD2bKaHTp2pRkUnildbaTEFWxeBnYJU2KweCVqG0x3+y6WUBPu L2rRGmQ/36jf3Gl3ydFXRbG8j8FrvFhDODIUC6tyf/zu6zeoZbyhy98+DosNGA9dcsGaTy 6/N581iQpOwhDHOPSH5zS1sHP58KIR5qtta29yRbrY+v64o1tbiCz7lEZWDwf0fFHlwjji WspJqc61+nBkt9yjz/+I5Cs2zWT7tu/iLGncd4OXgxNSEv/KJ7goiLAf0u5OFg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1625819606; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=b8r2f74tNpk3cD82Qjm7NOVazNvVInAclkXrcsk+CvN09iv7Lb4KIFYRmUuqMjNlbiN26D 4RWgmUaXSedd/+0X4CUU6Gs1lTNM53850Ho3373+quFjdpG/5uRYOVcLUFkDFguqCvztxv rDL5dhsrfraOVyEFdrXPAUl/2tj4hF2suep7b3y+TLM8vs6X1VemdT5ml0YfYkqWkO7Scq HLF+xN68ihdGS90DilM6I74U0/xg3iXf+FzXZZmLu4YGu7W2K/+AR/ecY1F2rCj/xREwEp KqzvHrTVcLliIuQbNCRQg7S8N+mqJBMn/53kfjim79ADiCYuDXfmx+x/j5LzhA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sAUbFkvJ; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.30 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sAUbFkvJ; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 219DF1F951 X-Spam-Score: -0.30 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 1Zo2uPq/4Mjh --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tim, > This is all beginning to feel like we are running very close to the > tipping point at which time we will have something that is so complex > that only a very few people are able to maintain the code base and keep > the system stable. New maintainers are discouraged because of the code > complexity. We could end up in a position where really important issues > cannot be addressed or addressed in a timely manner because of the > overall complexity of the code base and time it takes to fix and test > and dependence on a very few number of maintainers who are already > swamped with work. > > At some point, I think we may want to consider a temporary freeze on new > functionality and spend a few months just focusing on bug fixes and code > base improvements or re-factoring. It might also be worthwhile providing > some guidelines or criteria/procedures for assessing proposed new > features to avoid a perception of new features being accepted/rejected > based on personality, loudness of voice or some other real or perceived > and irrelevant basis. I=E2=80=99ve got some changes that improve existing features that I know I= =E2=80=99d like to push (and would be happy to maintain), but I get the same feeling as you th= at overall that we=E2=80=99ve been working on a lot of new things and it would= be worth taking some time to refine what=E2=80=99s here instead of adding more. That said, I=E2=80=99m not sure a hard freeze would be the best way to appr= oach this, I=E2=80=99d be more of a fan of just a shift in focus and maybe deferring s= ome ideas to be considered later. =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95 FWIW, these are the new things I=E2=80=99d like to push: =E2=80=A2 ob-julia =E2=80=A2 inline src block fortification =E2=80=A2 smart generated export preamble =E2=80=A2 a new LaTeX src block syntax highlighting option (this actually i= sn=E2=80=99t that much code) These are all currently maturing in my config, and in particular the =E2=80= =9Csmart generated export preamble=E2=80=9D and new LaTeX syntax highlighting option= have been massaged into a state I=E2=80=99m very happy with over a number of months. All the best, *Timothy* --=-=-=--