From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id JDDiKScCpGGwOwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 23:26:47 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id cOrkJCcCpGFiewAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBFE52B184 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 23:26:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:44778 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrSdC-0007Jj-6l for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:26:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50848) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrScb-0007Ja-Fb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:26:09 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:55047) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrScY-0007ZU-58 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:26:09 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F027240101 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 23:26:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1638138362; bh=OUD2E9RVZJRo6yejfS9lrsjK3zA+ZJuD+NAW9dN08mA=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=XPy2oUqM24SCl+Rs4LofgHTssocfDD75l6NAgUF0lQCKZS2+ePpqts/KMX6kskCi3 1Z7jUj9TygKHJ4qwNM0P/wZEWYcgX+lJas28q1OO+2xI7a0IF2ByA+pkHtZSBFzMI5 mh7aMin4pAuU1XEuLeexMLk7udvam0RcX++Y7YlfR6dr70Sou8ypfuxjobe2N1nEfo Q3RIUdiOIz0QSBUbWtV/oT6q53Cr/Rx18g2lGb9yZH8K5pLazVl7Y7jVTAKNhJJe6+ Cs15U1otxIj3/sIljbzfn/JMniFi9RGwxpa+5UKQWscsWu3cezXyJunerLth4XIyAv 2EEoAL6bkPGRQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4J2NNn5453z6tm4 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 23:26:01 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: orgmode Subject: Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode References: <2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:25:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: <2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> (Karl Voit's message of "Sun, 28 Nov 2021 20:46:17 +0100") Message-ID: <87a6hngbns.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638138407; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=uK89aiebvOArmqP9cZjNggyqofdbp1xAvXU5UVtvK+A=; b=ecuISqDw4iW44ivUacflmh6gfHhV+OJKvV6ibX/86yK8Eix4Kj+6cNd4ncH37b/hw1sjR4 GJvz0kxPYsFFF43kHDzMtwGrtQSYlpcM08YLohaoJ11XnBG2FJiNx2v85MLmRaDkgnbZmG A5PJCTH6X7hJWkNSb9ZmMX6PxHi/9czLqHktF+RkqoPEDHOKVt++Pn8R/LUSevQVcNvqTK KjnN6A1tKCKxKXcwq7vm8xto1NXEXfHsnPAZD0YDptpItc9Tcarl9L7y1P4/0KSuq7oYVW rfz/AWxMY5FaeTCvCqwR4JP/G4XGjCCus1Thr/cxWWjHn/VcpUznrIPXR+zOeg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638138407; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=r4c94CJb5RHxAt+I1oGvVWFX69alhfEYkAF22zy2BJ5b77rHxIvxs15al4ykbvYZpdW7jD 7VBSoRpKJfBWA4vytCM6CANaA0LNTvVo3+Nb7RFdZo3c2Gk0eaLcWrXJj0nSvOF1gP9CX8 +i1qGkGA5fdN1+XIUqg7nff/l0oTPS8XIQbVCX+k/a85eUwO5r9fPd7s1V3IDa3dUwHYeN ATfJEHJmjguvnZL8Se5bbjoE4SuyeEnBLJ4mefcSX2ZfxxjfH3t5u3x3lwXhjjqTgEavE2 rYcF0UcEIevpIr7T2UuJQ5hwkFMV9hSfH3KI5QrChgffRz3T/wwtceC4aIR8Ag== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=XPy2oUqM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.31 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=XPy2oUqM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EBFE52B184 X-Spam-Score: -4.31 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 81373YLLR7Iy Hi, I believe (IMHO) that it does not make much sense to separately name the Org Mode syntax (as a markup language). That would only generate confusion among users. Furthermore, 'Org Mode', as a whole, is already a sufficiently recognized and popular name, even outside the GNU Emacs community. A single name is best remembered. More than one name means atomization. For example: there is TeX (the typographic engine) and TeX (the programming language for that engine). And there has never been any conflict. On the other hand, drawing a dividing line between Org (a lightweight markup language) and Org (a GNU Emacs major mode) as if both things could exist separately is an illusory exercise. I mean, that the Org's global experience is the fusion of both things. I migrated from Markdown to Org Mode a long time ago not because I was looking for a new and best lightweight markup language but because Org provides me with a complete and quite sophisticated and productive work environment. An environment that includes, yes, its own syntax, but all within Emacs, which is where makes sense. I do not know if it is an emergent quality, but I see Org, in many ways (and with all its synapses) as an interface for Emacs. Best regards, Juan Manuel