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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655894264; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=osRZ8sXPIMnjOqXTVv8F0hL91rLUpQ+iBgYE6Oc7qrw=; b=F9oDbyRg3MG5RHv3EuSz/aUFP6TKLrnq1+ffQRzGP4znaW2hs9cqh6VQFY2k57P3ikNbx8 7GBEQsxL4F7E/erbWFXyyHWKLRZelzuOTwtnN0iYVrVgYRf8wCvUtpXDF9Cs9zlXiuMnZI EyTl6O2LtK4cuUEc3FMX3vOFBqOylOzbPUsIDx8yfUyTuGKQWsIPL1XFt7bLzQcQnW6o+F cvp4jUuHmCqcNNJUF1sbKnusNlkcMLrQVlc5KEXcww7T9Gl+IU3y+biGP7FdFI0U2Mdamo aEN0MjgmW6sqNYPpc12jy9+ovgRBZ3i7h5++W36IEIGEhepgtkjB6p3FApty9g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655894264; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=VuHT9l97G6YxMm3fa2lQJxzgCP3NaeP2SGu7br+D5y0uWHlEz9igTG6lfQCA+ya6nUowbL jLMMPU6Eawvb41Pjfej78mRj27uP3N2SrdMyh86hMS2m8CM91GbGydw1w1GRpBla7QrynO hg60NYjbecVCNcI7ql3YJLynrk1GGMooXVa1DklD6hbRxG8oXHN5efaD9pkc/MpfH0ym0F y9hDX2nZiuCL6pmKnSGmPcD6QriyFNmWqNOk+//jLPTDCasV5JB6yqazqlRsq8zzI8ppds NDaKfa3OoeAWwEbWSURJlmC+6zBSDdekEavGajIrAnv+PwZ4I3npIH0cJ4PnpQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=YOdj1ThR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.16 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=YOdj1ThR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 06203F5FB X-Spam-Score: -4.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: QOsmbfZu+YnQ Hi David, David Masterson writes: > I haven't touched Hyperbole in ...decades...? Even then, it was > complicated and full-featured (but I still keep it in my .emacs file). > My discussions with Bob Weiner were interesting at the time and I really > wanted to make use of it. > > As you've discovered, it integrates a lot of what Org has in, perhaps, a > tighter fashion (which makes it more complicated, but the pain might be > useful). The Smart Keys and Buttons are very similar to Org. The > outliner (KOutline) is more powerful than Org, but not integrated with > export capabilities to other formats (I think there is a way of > exporting an outline to Org). Something that Org does not have is > browsing capabilities for Object Oriented languages. This is an add-on > (for C++ ?) in Hyperbole (search for OO-Browser). Since I retired, I > don't do much programming, so Org's project management has been more > interesting to me. > > It's nice to see that it's actually still being developed by Bob. Thanks for all the interesting facts about hyperbole. I hadn't looked at the package source code info yet, and didn't know that this is all the work of one person. I also thought hyperbole was more recent... It certainly has some interesting stuff. In what way is KOutline more powerful than Org? Do you think there is any useful feature of KOutline that could be incorporated into Org? So far I've been able to find a couple of practical uses for this package in my workflow. The whole window control system is very powerful, although it would have been better if it had been a single separate package, IMHO. Implicit links have a lot of potential. For example, I've managed to define some buttons for LaTeX, which recognize LaTeX commands and environments and lead to the local TeX live documentation or tex.stackexchange.org. It's like giving a LaTeX document a sort of hover help. This could also be done in Org, by defining some patterns as implicit buttons to lead to Org info pages. Best regards, Juan Manuel