On Nov 27, 2008, at 1:17 = PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:

I hope I = don't make a nuisance of myself by responding to this. I posted at = some earlier date about my idea of making an org-help file "help.org" that I can call up with a = keystroke. This is an extension of the texinfo concept, perhaps, = or a subset of it.

I think this would best be done in texinfo, = and generate a rough equivalent of the refcard's contents (keybindings = reference and brief notes), separate from the org mode info = document. I looked at texinfo, and even though I can write = fairly sophisticated material in LaTeX, texinfo looks daunting enough to = discourage me from trying.

For now, I have borrowed the idea of = publishing a text refcard, but in org-mode. The reference card is = then folded in outline format. I have been doing the converstion = by hand from orgcard.tex, by using the untex command to generate a rough = text file, and then taking several passes through the file to setup = headlines and format the lines. This can all be done in one or two = steps, with a short elisp function, but I haven't had the time to brush = up on elisp (I notice it's a moving target, as well).

The = upshot for now may be a kludge, but it's extremeliy useful on a day to = day basis. See help.org, = attached. No warantees implied.

That brought me to = the question of how is the refcard written and kept up to date? = Possibly from other files in the org repository? Or is it = separately written up each time? It is usually up to date with the = newest version of org-mode, at least insofar as the version number.
=
With apologies,

Alan

On = Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> = wrote:
Hi Nathaniel,

I don't know what causes this = trouble, but I faced this sometimes with
LaTeX generated PDFs. Might = be an encoding problem or what ever.

The LaTeX sources are = available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org-mode
= package:

http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=3Dblob;f=3Ddoc/orgcar= d.tex;h=3D8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=3DHEAD
=

Regards,

Sebastian

"Nathaniel Cunningham" <nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.= com> writes:
> Greetings,
> I can't search the PDF version = of the org-mode refcard (in a couple of
> different apps on Mac OS = X). I can match single-character strings, and it
> appears = that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l e c h a r
= > a c t e r, which causes my trouble. (Not a typical problem I = have with
> these apps.)
>
> Is a more search-friendly = version, or the (presumably LaTeX) source, of the
> refcard = available?
>
> Cheers,
> Nathaniel
> [please include me = ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.= com ) on any replies, as
> I'm not a member of this list]
=
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= --Apple-Mail-17-386020924-- --===============0431015646== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============0431015646==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Alan E. Davis" Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:44:36 +1000 Message-ID: <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5tLT-0008EX-Hj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:44:39 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5tLS-0008Do-QC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:44:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41083 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L5tLS-0008DX-EZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:44:38 -0500 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.169]:26745) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L5tLR-0002Im-TA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:44:38 -0500 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1191473wfc.24 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:44:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham I think I can do this. Before I make a decision, it seems terribly important to understand what is a "searchable refcard." I answered the original post in part because the term was unclear to me. A "refcard" is something I print out on a sheet and reference as needed. You are referring then to a searchable reference accessible as an org file? Similar to what I posted to the list? What would make this file more searchable? I apologize if my questions seem impertinent. I would be willing to clean up and provide a file "org-help.org" periodically, as changes occurred in orgcard.tex. Even better, if I can see a way to extract this information from the source, it would be possible to keep it more up to date. Alan On 11/28/08, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Alan, > > the refcard is done by hand, a lot of fiddling goes into > fitting all this info on two pages. And don't want to > keep two versions. > > That said, my refcard is incomplete due to space constraints, and it > may be worth to do a better one, searchable, in Org. Maybe you would > like to maintain it? > > This is little work, you can just look at the changes in the > orgcard.tex file - basically it never changes, or hardly ever. > > - Carsten > > I > On Nov 27, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > >> I hope I don't make a nuisance of myself by responding to this. I >> posted at some earlier date about my idea of making an org-help file >> "help.org" that I can call up with a keystroke. This is an >> extension of the texinfo concept, perhaps, or a subset of it. >> >> I think this would best be done in texinfo, and generate a rough >> equivalent of the refcard's contents (keybindings reference and >> brief notes), separate from the org mode info document. I looked >> at texinfo, and even though I can write fairly sophisticated >> material in LaTeX, texinfo looks daunting enough to discourage me >> from trying. >> >> For now, I have borrowed the idea of publishing a text refcard, but >> in org-mode. The reference card is then folded in outline format. >> I have been doing the converstion by hand from orgcard.tex, by using >> the untex command to generate a rough text file, and then taking >> several passes through the file to setup headlines and format the >> lines. This can all be done in one or two steps, with a short elisp >> function, but I haven't had the time to brush up on elisp (I notice >> it's a moving target, as well). >> >> The upshot for now may be a kludge, but it's extremeliy useful on a >> day to day basis. See help.org, attached. No warantees implied. >> >> That brought me to the question of how is the refcard written and >> kept up to date? Possibly from other files in the org repository? >> Or is it separately written up each time? It is usually up to date >> with the newest version of org-mode, at least insofar as the version >> number. >> >> With apologies, >> >> Alan >> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Sebastian Rose >> wrote: >> Hi Nathaniel, >> >> >> I don't know what causes this trouble, but I faced this sometimes with >> LaTeX generated PDFs. Might be an encoding problem or what ever. >> >> >> The LaTeX sources are available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org- >> mode >> package: >> >> http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=blob;f=doc/orgcard.tex;h=8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=HEAD >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> "Nathaniel Cunningham" writes: >> > Greetings, >> > I can't search the PDF version of the org-mode refcard (in a >> couple of >> > different apps on Mac OS X). I can match single-character >> strings, and it >> > appears that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l >> e c h a r >> > a c t e r, which causes my trouble. (Not a typical problem I have >> with >> > these apps.) >> > >> > Is a more search-friendly version, or the (presumably LaTeX) >> source, of the >> > refcard available? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Nathaniel >> > [please include me ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com ) on any >> replies, as >> > I'm not a member of this list] >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> -- >> Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 >> Hannover >> >> Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 >> Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 >> mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 >> Email: s.rose emma-stil de, sebastian_rose gmx de >> Http: www.emma-stil.de >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> >> >> -- >> Alan Davis >> >> "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." >> ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > -- Alan Davis "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Nathaniel Cunningham" Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:06:42 -0600 Message-ID: <20ecf6c70811272306u64b79f46pf1af3517ad320de2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0909385910==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5xR9-00082x-7z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:06:47 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5xR8-00082a-Ce for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:06:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50878 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L5xR8-00082U-94 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:06:46 -0500 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]:34965) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L5xR7-0004Vd-Kz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:06:45 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so698775nfi.26 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:06:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============0909385910== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50611_25931050.1227856002533" ------=_Part_50611_25931050.1227856002533 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sebastian, Thanks for the link to the refcard source. The s p a c e s problem only arose when I used the tex-->dvi-->ps-->pdf route in landscape geometry; portrait geometry didn't have this problem, but of course the text didn't fit the paper size, either. pdftex worked just fine, after I added \pdfpageheight 8.5in \pdfpagewidth 11.0in to the .tex file to get landscape geometry. The idea of an org reference in org-mode sounds useful. Thanks for the file, Alan. --Nathaniel On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > Hi Nathaniel, > > > I don't know what causes this trouble, but I faced this sometimes with > LaTeX generated PDFs. Might be an encoding problem or what ever. > > > The LaTeX sources are available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org-mode > package: > > > http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=blob;f=doc/orgcard.tex;h=8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=HEAD > > > Regards, > > Sebastian > > > "Nathaniel Cunningham" writes: > > Greetings, > > I can't search the PDF version of the org-mode refcard (in a couple of > > different apps on Mac OS X). I can match single-character strings, and > it > > appears that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l e c h > a r > > a c t e r, which causes my trouble. (Not a typical problem I have with > > these apps.) > > > > Is a more search-friendly version, or the (presumably LaTeX) source, of > the > > refcard available? > > > > Cheers, > > Nathaniel > > [please include me ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com ) on any replies, > as > > I'm not a member of this list] > > _______________________________________________ > > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > -- > Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 Hannover > > Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 > Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 > mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 > Email: s.rose emma-stil de, sebastian_rose gmx de > Http: www.emma-stil.de > ------=_Part_50611_25931050.1227856002533 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sebastian,
Thanks for the link to the refcard source. The s p a c e s problem only arose when I used the tex-->dvi-->ps-->pdf route in landscape geometry; portrait geometry didn't have this problem, but of course the text didn't fit the paper size, either. pdftex worked just fine, after I added
\pdfpageheight 8.5in
\pdfpagewidth 11.0in
to the .tex file to get landscape geometry.

The idea of an org reference in org-mode sounds useful. Thanks for the file, Alan.

--Nathaniel

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> wrote:

Hi Nathaniel,

I don't know what causes this trouble, but I faced this sometimes with
LaTeX generated PDFs. Might be an encoding problem or what ever.

The LaTeX sources are available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org-mode
package:

http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=blob;f=doc/orgcard.tex;h=8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=HEAD

Regards,

Sebastian

"Nathaniel Cunningham" <nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com> writes:
> Greetings,
> I can't search the PDF version of the org-mode refcard (in a couple of
> different apps on Mac OS X). I can match single-character strings, and it
> appears that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l e c h a r
> a c t e r, which causes my trouble. (Not a typical problem I have with
> these apps.)
>
> Is a more search-friendly version, or the (presumably LaTeX) source, of the
> refcard available?
>
> Cheers,
> Nathaniel
> [please include me ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com ) on any replies, as
> I'm not a member of this list]

> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L6rNe-0000wY-NV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:50:54 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L6rNZ-0000p1-92 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:50:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55353 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L6rNY-0000oj-U1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:50:49 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.175]:62964) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L6rNM-00051j-GY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:50:48 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 36so2710739uga.17 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:50:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "Alan E. Davis" Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham Hi Alan, I have been thinking about this some more. As Nat has pointed out, the problem with the pdf can be fixed by using pdftex to produce it, and maybe I should improve my standard procedure to do just that. OK, about a separate, new, searchable reference written in Org-mode. First of all, I am not sure if automatic production can be made to work well. Second, the PDF reference card has been squeezed and optimized a lot to fit on a single A4, it is as comprehensive as possible with this restriction, but incomplete nonetheless. In particular the meaning of prefix arguments is often not mentioned, and some less important keys are not given. With this restriction gone, we could make a *better* quick reference, and I think we should seize this opportunity. I can see two ways to do this. 1. Make a much more comprehensive reference by copying all the key descriptions from the manual. This would mean going into the TeXInfo source and basically extracting everything in the @table @kbd .... @end table sections, with appropriate headings. This would make a quite long reference, may be too long and too much duplication compared to the manual itself. 2. Start from the current tex file for the quick reference and then go through the manual to see if things are missing and add them, in a similarly compact way. Or, even easier, start from the org-help you published earlier, but still make an effort to make this more complete. I think (2) may be more realistic, and I would be willing to help fill in missing things, I think I know quite well which these are. Examples can be taken from things that are still in the orgcard.tex file but are commented out to save space. Another thing that would be good is a summary of the Markup Rules, of Export options specified with #+OPTIONS, #+TITLE etc, of #+STARTUP stuff etc. Another thing to improve is lines like this: - archive the subtree $ / a / A This is too compact and does not say what kind of archiving will be done with each of these keys. Keeping this reference up-to-date would be relatively simple, because I do mention all changed key bindings in the release note. So maintaining this reference would mean carefully reading the Notes for each official release and adding/changing 1 or 2 lines of the reference. - Carsten On Nov 28, 2008, at 3:44 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > I think I can do this. Before I make a decision, it seems terribly > important to understand what is a "searchable refcard." I answered > the original post in part because the term was unclear to me. A > "refcard" is something I print out on a sheet and reference as needed. > > You are referring then to a searchable reference accessible as an org > file? Similar to what I posted to the list? What would make this > file more searchable? > > I apologize if my questions seem impertinent. I would be willing to > clean up and provide a file "org-help.org" periodically, as changes > occurred in orgcard.tex. Even better, if I can see a way to extract > this information from the source, it would be possible to keep it more > up to date. > > Alan > > On 11/28/08, Carsten Dominik wrote: >> Hi Alan, >> >> the refcard is done by hand, a lot of fiddling goes into >> fitting all this info on two pages. And don't want to >> keep two versions. >> >> That said, my refcard is incomplete due to space constraints, and it >> may be worth to do a better one, searchable, in Org. Maybe you would >> like to maintain it? >> >> This is little work, you can just look at the changes in the >> orgcard.tex file - basically it never changes, or hardly ever. >> >> - Carsten >> >> I >> On Nov 27, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: >> >>> I hope I don't make a nuisance of myself by responding to this. I >>> posted at some earlier date about my idea of making an org-help file >>> "help.org" that I can call up with a keystroke. This is an >>> extension of the texinfo concept, perhaps, or a subset of it. >>> >>> I think this would best be done in texinfo, and generate a rough >>> equivalent of the refcard's contents (keybindings reference and >>> brief notes), separate from the org mode info document. I looked >>> at texinfo, and even though I can write fairly sophisticated >>> material in LaTeX, texinfo looks daunting enough to discourage me >>> from trying. >>> >>> For now, I have borrowed the idea of publishing a text refcard, but >>> in org-mode. The reference card is then folded in outline format. >>> I have been doing the converstion by hand from orgcard.tex, by using >>> the untex command to generate a rough text file, and then taking >>> several passes through the file to setup headlines and format the >>> lines. This can all be done in one or two steps, with a short elisp >>> function, but I haven't had the time to brush up on elisp (I notice >>> it's a moving target, as well). >>> >>> The upshot for now may be a kludge, but it's extremeliy useful on a >>> day to day basis. See help.org, attached. No warantees implied. >>> >>> That brought me to the question of how is the refcard written and >>> kept up to date? Possibly from other files in the org repository? >>> Or is it separately written up each time? It is usually up to date >>> with the newest version of org-mode, at least insofar as the version >>> number. >>> >>> With apologies, >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Sebastian Rose >>> wrote: >>> Hi Nathaniel, >>> >>> >>> I don't know what causes this trouble, but I faced this sometimes >>> with >>> LaTeX generated PDFs. Might be an encoding problem or what ever. >>> >>> >>> The LaTeX sources are available at repo.or.cz, as is the entire Org- >>> mode >>> package: >>> >>> http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=blob;f=doc/orgcard.tex;h=8e2cbe0d76f9b71997c106982911b144ed5eff2f;hb=HEAD >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sebastian >>> >>> >>> "Nathaniel Cunningham" writes: >>>> Greetings, >>>> I can't search the PDF version of the org-mode refcard (in a >>> couple of >>>> different apps on Mac OS X). I can match single-character >>> strings, and it >>>> appears that my reader apps see spaces between e v e r y s i n g l >>> e c h a r >>>> a c t e r, which causes my trouble. (Not a typical problem I have >>> with >>>> these apps.) >>>> >>>> Is a more search-friendly version, or the (presumably LaTeX) >>> source, of the >>>> refcard available? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nathaniel >>>> [please include me ( nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com ) on any >>> replies, as >>>> I'm not a member of this list] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> -- >>> Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 >>> Hannover >>> >>> Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 >>> Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 >>> mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 >>> Email: s.rose emma-stil de, sebastian_rose gmx de >>> Http: www.emma-stil.de >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alan Davis >>> >>> "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." >>> ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> > > > -- > Alan Davis > > "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." > ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Alan E. Davis" Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:56:15 +1000 Message-ID: <7bef1f890812010456i5c5a1542l8b2bdef7ca3e209c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_58665_30822908.1228136176064" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L78K5-0003XL-CQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:56:21 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L78K3-0003Wj-NX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:56:20 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44274 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L78K3-0003Wb-Ko for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:56:19 -0500 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.171]:41623) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L78K2-0006MH-OM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:56:19 -0500 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2562881wfc.24 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:56:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham ------=_Part_58665_30822908.1228136176064 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_58666_21648384.1228136176064" ------=_Part_58666_21648384.1228136176064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That all is a great help. I like both ideas, but at the present it is much easier for me to go through orgcard.tex and study the info docs. I think I have some mistakes in this, but it's been an interesting study to carefully comb through one or two headlines' worth (Agenda and clocking) and add something for my own use on relative clocks. It helps alot to study the info docs while going through this, but I cannot do it all in one sitthing. Perhaps it's helpful to separate some of the commands where three variants are on one line to save space---it sure helps me to make sense of each of them. I might ask, in cases where there is a discrepancy between the orgcard and the info docs, which one is up to date? My guess would be the info docs, but I'm guessing. Attached is another pass at "org-help.org". Alan -- Alan Davis "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man ------=_Part_58666_21648384.1228136176064 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That all is a great help. I like both ideas, but at the present it is much easier for me to go through orgcard.tex and study the info docs. I think I have some mistakes in this, but it's been an interesting study to carefully comb through one or two headlines' worth (Agenda and clocking) and add something for my own use on relative clocks.

It helps alot to study the info docs while going through this, but I cannot do it all in one sitthing. Perhaps it's helpful to separate some of the commands where three variants are on one line to save space---it sure helps me to make sense of each of them.

I might ask, in cases where there is a discrepancy between the orgcard and the info docs, which one is up to date? My guess would be the info docs, but I'm guessing.

Attached is another pass at "org-help.org".

Alan

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Alan Davis

"It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..."
---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man

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Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ------=_Part_58665_30822908.1228136176064-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:06:25 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890812010456i5c5a1542l8b2bdef7ca3e209c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1170022153==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L78Tx-0000Js-9v for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:06:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L78Tv-0000HR-PC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:06:33 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50281 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L78Tv-0000HF-N3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:06:31 -0500 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.144]:45172) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L78Tv-0007yE-2c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:06:31 -0500 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1041906eyg.24 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:06:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890812010456i5c5a1542l8b2bdef7ca3e209c@mail.gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "Alan E. Davis" Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham --===============1170022153== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-721482669 --Apple-Mail-3-721482669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > That all is a great help. I like both ideas, but at the present it > is much easier for me to go through orgcard.tex and study the info > docs. I think I have some mistakes in this, but it's been an > interesting study to carefully comb through one or two headlines' > worth (Agenda and clocking) and add something for my own use on > relative clocks. > > It helps alot to study the info docs while going through this, but I > cannot do it all in one sitthing. Perhaps it's helpful to separate > some of the commands where three variants are on one line to save > space---it sure helps me to make sense of each of them. > > I might ask, in cases where there is a discrepancy between the > orgcard and the info docs, which one is up to date? My guess would > be the info docs, but I'm guessing. Please collect these differences and send them to me, I will check. Likely, the manual is more up to date. - Carsten > > > Attached is another pass at "org-help.org". > > Alan > > > -- > Alan Davis > > "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." > ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man > > --Apple-Mail-3-721482669 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Dec 1, 2008, = at 1:56 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote:

That all = is a great help. I like both ideas, but at the present it is much = easier for me to go through orgcard.tex and study the info docs. I = think I have some mistakes in this, but it's been an interesting study = to carefully comb through one or two headlines' worth (Agenda and = clocking) and add something for my own use on relative clocks. =

It helps alot to study the info docs while going through this, = but I cannot do it all in one sitthing. Perhaps it's helpful to = separate some of the commands where three variants are on one line to = save space---it sure helps me to make sense of each of them.

I = might ask, in cases where there is a discrepancy between the orgcard and = the info docs, which one is up to date? My guess would be the info = docs, but I'm guessing. =

Please collect these = differences and send them to me, I will check. Likely, the manual = is more up to date.

- = Carsten

Attached= is another pass at "org-help.org".
=
Alan

--
Alan Davis

"It's never a = matter of liking or disliking ..."
---Santa = Ynez Chumash Medicine Man

= <org-help.org>

= --Apple-Mail-3-721482669-- --===============1170022153== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============1170022153==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastian Rose Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:38:53 +0100 Message-ID: <874p1o6juq.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890812010456i5c5a1542l8b2bdef7ca3e209c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L79sd-0001W7-3v for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:36:07 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L79sc-0001Vs-L9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:36:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53276 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L79sc-0001Vh-Ba for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:36:06 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:57878) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L79sb-0002xl-Ov for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:36:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Carsten Dominik's message of "Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:06:25 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham Hi Carsten, Alan & Co, sorry for not following this thread closely. If the idea here is deleted from your list already or is not feasable, just ignore it. Refcard as info file ==================== How about maintaining the extended refcard as a second texinfo file? After the install, we would have two resulting info files: org and org-refcard. We could then bind a key to some `org-open-ref-card' function, that simply calls (info "(orgrefcard)"). Context help ============ As for help in general: How about binding a key (e.g. `C-c h') to a function calling (info &optional file-or-node) to get context-help while in an org-file? (info "(org)tags") if on a tag, (info "(org)properties and columns") if in `#+COLUMNS' line ...and so on. Often more than one section will match, so a mapping would be needed as well, as some sort of completion. Best, Sebastian Carsten Dominik writes: > On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > >> That all is a great help. I like both ideas, but at the present it is much >> easier for me to go through orgcard.tex and study the info docs. I think I >> have some mistakes in this, but it's been an interesting study to carefully >> comb through one or two headlines' worth (Agenda and clocking) and add >> something for my own use on relative clocks. >> >> It helps alot to study the info docs while going through this, but I cannot do >> it all in one sitthing. Perhaps it's helpful to separate some of the >> commands where three variants are on one line to save space---it sure helps >> me to make sense of each of them. >> >> I might ask, in cases where there is a discrepancy between the orgcard and the >> info docs, which one is up to date? My guess would be the info docs, but I'm >> guessing. > > > Please collect these differences and send them to me, I will check. Likely, the > manual is more up to date. > > - Carsten > > >> >> >> Attached is another pass at "org-help.org". >> >> Alan >> >> >> -- >> Alan Davis >> >> "It's never a matter of liking or disliking ..." >> ---Santa Ynez Chumash Medicine Man >> >> > -- Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 Hannover Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 Email: s.rose emma-stil de, sebastian_rose gmx de Http: www.emma-stil.de From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:33:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890812010456i5c5a1542l8b2bdef7ca3e209c@mail.gmail.com> <874p1o6juq.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7Qgw-0004Ud-O8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:33:10 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7Qgu-0004UR-5O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:33:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52811 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L7Qgu-0004UO-1N for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:33:08 -0500 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.150]:63657) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7Qgt-0002yU-J7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:33:07 -0500 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1271697eyg.24 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:33:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874p1o6juq.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham Hi Sebastian, On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > Hi Carsten, Alan & Co, > > > sorry for not following this thread closely. If the idea here is > deleted > from your list already or is not feasable, just ignore it. > > > > Refcard as info file > ==================== > > How about maintaining the extended refcard as a second texinfo file? > After the install, we would have two resulting info files: org and > org-refcard. > > We could then bind a key to some `org-open-ref-card' function, that > simply calls (info "(orgrefcard)"). If this would be done in info format (i.e. TexInfo), then it could simply be part of the manual itself and info could jumpt to that particular node in the manual. > > > > > Context help > ============ > > As for help in general: > > How about binding a key (e.g. `C-c h') to a function calling (info > &optional file-or-node) to get context-help while in an org-file? > > (info "(org)tags") if on a tag, > (info "(org)properties and columns") if in `#+COLUMNS' line > > ...and so on. > > Often more than one section will match, so a mapping would be needed > as well, as some sort of completion. I do like that idea. - Carsten From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastian Rose Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:28:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87fxl6sqvl.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890812010456i5c5a1542l8b2bdef7ca3e209c@mail.gmail.com> <874p1o6juq.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7UKE-0002wB-Ly for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:25:58 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7UKB-0002vz-Lp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:25:56 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38547 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L7UKA-0002vs-B7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:25:54 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:35300) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7UK9-0000AP-Kz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:25:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Carsten Dominik's message of "Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:33:01 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham Carsten Dominik writes: > Hi Sebastian, > > On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > >> Hi Carsten, Alan & Co, >> >> >> sorry for not following this thread closely. If the idea here is deleted >> from your list already or is not feasable, just ignore it. >> >> >> >> Refcard as info file >> ==================== >> >> How about maintaining the extended refcard as a second texinfo file? >> After the install, we would have two resulting info files: org and >> org-refcard. >> >> We could then bind a key to some `org-open-ref-card' function, that >> simply calls (info "(orgrefcard)"). > > > If this would be done in info format (i.e. TexInfo), then it could > simply be part of the manual itself and info could jumpt to that > particular node in the manual. Yes, true. Since the info file comes with org-mode, it would be a natural way to do this IMO. It's so simple to search in info, since C-s searches accross sections and even files. >> Context help >> ============ >> >> As for help in general: >> >> How about binding a key (e.g. `C-c h') to a function calling (info >> &optional file-or-node) to get context-help while in an org-file? >> >> (info "(org)tags") if on a tag, >> (info "(org)properties and columns") if in `#+COLUMNS' line >> >> ...and so on. >> >> Often more than one section will match, so a mapping would be needed >> as well, as some sort of completion. > > I do like that idea. It's the only feature MS-Office and openoffice.org have, that's not in Org-mode yet :-) Just courious: How would I reveal the context at point? Would I use those predicates as `org-at-xxx-p'? Best, Sebastian -- Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 Hannover Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 Email: s.rose emma-stil de, sebastian_rose gmx de Http: www.emma-stil.de From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:01:02 +0100 Message-ID: <8CB24120-0903-4680-8EC0-3EB1CB012DE2@gmail.com> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890812010456i5c5a1542l8b2bdef7ca3e209c@mail.gmail.com> <874p1o6juq.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <87fxl6sqvl.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7UsI-0002OX-Ag for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:01:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7UsG-0002O0-Ij for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:01:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37691 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L7UsG-0002Nr-De for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:01:08 -0500 Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com ([216.239.58.188]:47208) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7UsF-00045J-Kz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:01:07 -0500 Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i36so534028gve.17 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:01:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87fxl6sqvl.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham On Dec 2, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > > Just courious: > > How would I reveal the context at point? > Would I use those predicates as `org-at-xxx-p'? C-h f org-context RET We can extend this function if needed for context help. - Carsten From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastian Rose Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:35:24 +0100 Message-ID: <87bpvusl03.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <7bef1f890811270417s49258b58i477968442799c609@mail.gmail.com> <395BE353-F89F-413A-8045-210F885864F3@uva.nl> <7bef1f890811271844o5231d38ct13e1a0bf14c851c9@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890812010456i5c5a1542l8b2bdef7ca3e209c@mail.gmail.com> <874p1o6juq.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <87fxl6sqvl.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <8CB24120-0903-4680-8EC0-3EB1CB012DE2@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7WIr-0002IE-Sv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:32:41 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7WIr-0002I2-Fw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:32:41 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48410 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L7WIr-0002Hz-Aw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:32:41 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:55457) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7WIq-0006sc-Sk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:32:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8CB24120-0903-4680-8EC0-3EB1CB012DE2@gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:01:02 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham Carsten, thanks for the hint! Maybe I'll try to learn a little more elisp between the years :-) I tried it the stupid way, just to see it working: (defun org-context-help () "Context help for org-mode" (interactive) (if (org-at-table-p) (info "(org)tables") (if (org-at-timestamp-p) (info "(org)timestamps") (if (org-at-item-checkbox-p) (info "(org)Checkboxes") (if (org-at-item-p) (info "(org)plain lists") (if (org-at-heading-p) (info "(org)headlines") (if (org-at-property-p) (info "(org)Properties and Columns") ))))))) Just for the fun of it. I tried to use a list like this: (setq org-context-help-map '(('org-at-item-checkbox-p "(org)Checkboxes" "(org)plain lists") ('org-at-item-p "(org)plain lists" "(org)Checkboxes") ('org-at-property-p "(org)Properties and Columns") ('org-at-timestamp-p "(org)timestamps" "(org)deadlines and scheduling") ('org-at-table-p "(org)tables") ('org-at-heading-p "(org)headlines"))) and dolist and eval, but I couldn't get my head around those `non-local exits' (throw and catch). It should work with a list, to offer several sections in the manual per context. And such a list would be easy to maintain. Still an elisp-dyslexic, Sebastian Carsten Dominik writes: > On Dec 2, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > >> >> Just courious: >> >> How would I reveal the context at point? >> Would I use those predicates as `org-at-xxx-p'? > > > C-h f org-context RET > > We can extend this function if needed for context help. > > - Carsten > -- Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 Hannover Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 Email: s.rose emma-stil de, sebastian_rose gmx de Http: www.emma-stil.de From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Samuel Wales" Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:40:02 -0700 Message-ID: <20524da70812031240j5aad5807xce1768c683913e12@mail.gmail.com> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <20ecf6c70811272306u64b79f46pf1af3517ad320de2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7yVy-0002Uj-3p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:40:06 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L7yVw-0002Tj-E7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:40:05 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51699 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L7yVw-0002Tg-Bn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:40:04 -0500 Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com ([216.239.58.187]:7454) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7yVv-0005lS-UW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:40:04 -0500 Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i36so812697gve.17 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20ecf6c70811272306u64b79f46pf1af3517ad320de2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Nathaniel Cunningham Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org I do this: (w3m "http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html") (w3m "http://orgmode.org/orgcard.txt")) Would use http://orgmode.org/org.html but that might use up Carsten's bw too much and it is slow. I like plain text and html all in one file. Here are some possibilities. - if the manual is broken into small files, no isearch. - solution: include manual.html as one html file in org. - needs the net - solution: include manual.html and orgcard.txt in org. - needs emacs-w3m dedicated tab - solution: create manual.html tab if and only if not there. -- Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialists are knowingly causing further suffering and death by opposing biomedical research on this serious infectious disease. Do you care about the world? http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:10:12 +0100 Message-ID: <111705C7-CEE0-4F2F-93C5-419525C921BB@uva.nl> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <20ecf6c70811272306u64b79f46pf1af3517ad320de2@mail.gmail.com> <20524da70812031240j5aad5807xce1768c683913e12@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L89Hx-0002Jz-3V for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:10:21 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L89Hw-0002Jm-Cz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:10:20 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39511 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L89Hw-0002Jj-7z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:10:20 -0500 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:58591) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L89Hv-0002vw-Ov for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:10:19 -0500 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L89Hv-0008Ss-0U for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:10:19 -0500 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2941529fgb.30 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:10:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20524da70812031240j5aad5807xce1768c683913e12@mail.gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Samuel Wales Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham Hi Samuel, On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Samuel Wales wrote: > I do this: > > (w3m "http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html") > (w3m "http://orgmode.org/orgcard.txt")) > > Would use http://orgmode.org/org.html but that might use up Carsten's > bw too much and it is slow. > > I like plain text and html all in one file. > > Here are some possibilities. > > - if the manual is broken into small files, no isearch. > - solution: include manual.html as one html file in > org. > - needs the net > - solution: include manual.html and orgcard.txt in org. Of course I could include this file, but why? You can simply build it. After git pull do make doc and the html file will be made in the doc directory, along with the pdf version and the refcards. - Carsten > > - needs emacs-w3m dedicated tab > - solution: create manual.html tab if and only if not > there. > > -- > Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialists are knowingly causing further > suffering and death by opposing biomedical research on this serious > infectious disease. Do you care about the world? > http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Samuel Wales" Subject: Re: searchable refcard? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20524da70812101942h7bd90537mb3fcc9b7ed1ab00@mail.gmail.com> References: <20ecf6c70811261721j6c7d50e8v8a51fbea381231bb@mail.gmail.com> <878wr5eb2k.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <20ecf6c70811272306u64b79f46pf1af3517ad320de2@mail.gmail.com> <20524da70812031240j5aad5807xce1768c683913e12@mail.gmail.com> <111705C7-CEE0-4F2F-93C5-419525C921BB@uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LAcRK-000569-83 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LAcRG-00055a-W8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:13 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40763 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LAcRG-00055X-TD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:10 -0500 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.189]:16959) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LAcRG-00077i-IS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:10 -0500 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so462448mue.6 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:42:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <111705C7-CEE0-4F2F-93C5-419525C921BB@uva.nl> Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nathaniel Cunningham It might be useful to include org.html and refcard.txt because some people don't have tex and would find it difficult to install, and those two formats are accessible without special software. But this is a small thing.